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The errors in theology from the Pope's Plane Interview (and discussions that followed!)
The Tenth Crusade | 2/21/16 | The Tenth Crusade

Posted on 02/21/2016 11:51:53 AM PST by ebb tide

I wanted to briefly mention a few observations of discussions about the Holy Father's latest plane interview.

1. Astoundingly, when Catholics raise concerns about Pope Francis suggestion to women that they can use birth control pills and condoms to prevent perfectly healthy babies from being conceived because of a remote chance of birth defects, I am still seeing Catholics claim the press is misinterpreting what is being said.

I will not cite the dozens of examples, suffice it to say that the Father has accountability for his own words and actions. His contradiction of Humane Vitae was as clear as a bell and Fr. Lombardi confirmed it. It's time to retire the talking points that we have a problem with the media.

2. Several Catholics continue to raise the question as to whether Catholics can raise concerns in the public square about what the Holy Father is saying and doing and not saying and doing.

When in doubt about whether something is consistent with Church teaching, patheos is not the source to turn to for guidance. Run to: a. Catechism. b. Canons; and c. review the history of Saints to see if any of them did it, under what circumstances and how they did it.

Having done the homework, these resources say it is actually a duty of a Baptized Catholic.

People referring to the Holy Father as "bergolio' and other disrespectful names are going about the duty with injuries. Perhaps they watching their children or brothers and sisters being robbed of the tools for salvation, but that neither diminishes the truth of the content or the duty of the Baptized.

We can and should raise the bar on the charity with which it is said - along with now raising the fervor to a decibel level that brings the Romans to their knees. We need to reach out to the CDF. More on this later. I cannot imagine Cardinal Müller letting this confusion stand but I am sure it would take time to think through. Meanwhile, we've got to seek clarification loud and clear.

3. Let's cut to the chase of the content of the theological errors.

First, lets discuss the use of the 'nuns in the Congo'.

Nobody can find any reference that it ever happened.

I presumed the dispensation was about placing the nuns on prophylactic contraceptives. This is peculiar for a number of reasons.

The nuns in the Congo in the 70s are not the only women in history threatened by madmen seizing households and raping women and children. It went on when the Moors invaded Ireland. This always goes on in warzones, particularly when islamic terrorists are the aggressors.

There is no doctrinal reference or guidance that one can use birth control pills to prophylactically prevent pregnancy in a war zone. Logic would have it, if this were an authentic exception, then we would have 2000 years worth of doctrinal references, given to female soldiers who face the daily risk.

Why would the Church not explain this exception in infallible doctrine?

Moreover, why would the Church remain silent about this mysterious exception while women have been and are subject to this daily threat all over the world, in all kinds of circumstances?

Let's for a moment set aside the well-known fact that some birth control pills are abortifacients. It's a big put-aside, I know, because the Pope's preposterous suggestion includes approval of aborting children after conception while using birth control pills that work by preventing implantation after conception in circumstances of rape--which is...and I hesitate to use the word but it must be said...heresy.

I have read the suggestion that Pope Paul VI's exception granted the nuns the dispensation to use "the morning after pill".

Thankfully, my well-catechized readers will correct me if I am mistaken (and I don't have the time to go out and fetch doctrine), but to the best of my knowledge, the Church does not prohibit the use of a 'morning after pill' so long as there was a zero chance that the woman was anywhere near ovulation--which scientifically translates to preventing ovulation rather than disposing of an ovulated child. If the woman's cycle was unpredictable or if she is anywhere near the danger zone of ovulation, the Church DOES prohibit the use of the morning after pill.

The idea that a Holy Father, be it Pope Paul VI or Pope Francis, is suggesting an unrestricted use of the morning after pill is incoherent, incomprehensible and indefensible.

4. The more concerning theological error concerns the Pope's approval of the use of condoms and birth control pills when there is a fear of delivering a child with a birth defect.

What messages does that give to handicapped? The Pope believes they are unworthy of life? The Church's 'mercy' involves flushing them down a toilet? I'm having trouble drawing another conclusion, so please. enlighten this poor soul.

And again, if the authentic teachings of the Church are mothers over 35 can use condoms, birth control pills and abortifacients due to the threat of a genetic mutation of her egg, this is nowhere to be found.

And I think we all know the reason.

One final observation to those continuously harping on the raising concerns about theological errors is an insult to the Holy Father.

This is not about the Holy Father because the Holy Father is not the only person involved in the vortex.

It is about the salvation of our children and people we love, and it is about Christ and His Church. The Holy Father's feelings do not domineer whether we respond to our baptismal call.

Here is your license:

I charge thee, before God and Jesus Christ, who shall judge the living and the dead, by his coming, and his kingdom: Preach the word: be instant in season, out of season: reprove, entreat, rebuke in all patience and doctrine. For there shall be a time, when they will not endure sound doctrine; but, according to their own desires, they will heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears: And will indeed turn away their hearing from the truth, but will be turned unto fables. But be thou vigilant, labour in all things, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill thy ministry.

The hour is upon us.


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The nuns in the Congo in the 70s are not the only women in history threatened by madmen seizing households and raping women and children. It went on when the Moors invaded Ireland. This always goes on in warzones, particularly when islamic terrorists are the aggressors.

There is no doctrinal reference or guidance that one can use birth control pills to prophylactically prevent pregnancy in a war zone. Logic would have it, if this were an authentic exception, then we would have 2000 years worth of doctrinal references, given to female soldiers who face the daily risk.

1 posted on 02/21/2016 11:51:53 AM PST by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

Had the Holy Father not demonized guns... He could find clear answers regarding self defense in the CCC and Luke 22:36.

The Churrch has documented history of using weapons... Never a history of using contraception.

The Pope’s own words may very well bury the Little Sisters of the Poor in their case against the Obamacare mandate. Terrible.


2 posted on 02/21/2016 12:01:41 PM PST by rwilson99 (Please tell me how the words "shall not perish and have everlasting life" would NOT apply to Mary.)
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To: rwilson99
Had the Holy Father not demonized guns... He could find clear answers regarding self defense in the CCC and Luke 22:36. The Churrch has documented history of using weapons... Never a history of using contraception. The Pope’s own words may very well bury the Little Sisters of the Poor in their case against the Obamacare mandate. Terrible.

"And every spirit that dissolveth Jesus, is not of God: and this is Antichrist, of whom you have heard that he cometh, and he is now already in the world." 1 John 4:3

"Holy" Father? How can we bestow the title "Holy" upon a person who is aggressively working to dissolve the consistent teachings of the Church?

3 posted on 02/21/2016 12:15:54 PM PST by BlatherNaut
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To: BlatherNaut

He is a successor of Peter...

He has yet to say anything ex cathedra thank goodness... and I doubt he ever will.


4 posted on 02/21/2016 12:21:54 PM PST by rwilson99 (Please tell me how the words "shall not perish and have everlasting life" would NOT apply to Mary.)
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To: ebb tide

He also implied Trump is not a Christian... but not because Trump has never asked God for forgiveness, but because he wants to protect our nation from foreign invaders who want to kill us.


5 posted on 02/21/2016 12:24:06 PM PST by unlearner (RIP America, 7/4/1776 - 6/26/2015, "Only God can judge us now." - Claus Von Stauffenberg / Valkyrie)
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To: ebb tide

The nuns in the Congo story was a total fabrication that first appeared in a Jesuit magazine in the late 70s. This, in turn , was based on a discussion of hypotheticals that a moral theologian had presented (but certainly not supporting doing such a thing) in the early 70s.

The Congo war in which this supposed papal permission took place, moreover, was two years before Pope Paul VI was even elected pope.


6 posted on 02/21/2016 12:33:07 PM PST by livius
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To: livius

On this day, February 21st, 15-years-ago Jorge Mario Bergoglio was created cardinal by John Paul II.


7 posted on 02/21/2016 12:37:06 PM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide
People referring to the Holy Father as "bergolio' and other disrespectful names are going about the duty with injuries.

"Bergoglio" is disrespectful? This man doesn't even refer to himself as pope. Having said that, I do try to stick to Bergoglio or Francis.

8 posted on 02/21/2016 12:59:34 PM PST by piusv (The Spirit of Christ hasn't refrained from using separated churches as means of salvation:VII heresy)
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To: piusv

I believe it’s common practice in Italy. “Papa Wojtyla”, “Papa Ratzinger”, etc.


9 posted on 02/21/2016 1:17:10 PM PST by Claud
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To: rwilson99; ebb tide

We were just talking about this sorry situation on the way home from Mass. Mrs. Claud believes this is worse than the sex abuse scandal, and I heartily agree.

It’s come to the point that we need to start talking about deposition.

How that could ever happen logistically, I dunno.

I suppose if it progressed far enough, a bunch of Cardinals would have to make a secret trip to Rome to visit Benedict.


10 posted on 02/21/2016 1:24:12 PM PST by Claud
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To: Claud

I miss Benedict


11 posted on 02/21/2016 1:49:56 PM PST by Jaded (Pope Francis? Not really a fan... miss the last guy who recognized how Islam was spread.)
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To: rwilson99
The Pope’s own words may very well bury the Little Sisters of the Poor in their case against the Obamacare mandate.

Either that or the death of Justice Alito.

12 posted on 02/21/2016 2:54:14 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (People are idiots.)
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To: piusv

How about calling him “Pope Che”?

Because, you know, he’s a communist.


13 posted on 02/21/2016 8:17:25 PM PST by T-Bone Texan (The Bush family is a parasitic growth that must be excised.)
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To: unlearner

Protecting our nation from foreign invaders... with a history of violence... is actually a duty in the Catechism.

Paragraph 2635 of the CCC to be exact.


14 posted on 02/24/2016 9:10:18 AM PST by rwilson99 (Please tell me how the words "shall not perish and have everlasting life" would NOT apply to Mary.)
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