Skip to comments.Anglican-Catholic dialogue hammering out the ‘tough difficulties’
Posted on 05/16/2016 5:14:07 PM PDT by ebb tide
After nearly 50 years of discourse between the Catholic and Anglican communions, the official dialogue body wants to fine-tune how it studies the differences and similarities between two churches which both call themselves Catholic.
ARCIC III hasnt proved itself yet, Sir David Moxon, Anglican co-chair of the Anglican-Roman Catholic International Commission, told The Catholic Register following an ecumenical evensong on Pentecost Sunday.
This third stage of the dialogue has been meeting since 2011, but has yet to publish a major document. It is currently studying how the Church arrives at moral teaching.
The official dialogue sponsored by the Vatican and the Archbishop of Canterbury is meeting in Toronto until May 18, when a concluding communique is expected from the meeting of 22 bishops, theologians and support staff. It is the first time the body has met in Canada and, to the knowledge of the participants, the first time in 50 years that ARCIC has met during Pentecost, when the Holy Spirit first revealed the global unity of the Christian message expressed in the diversity of languages from around the world.
ARCIC III expects to publish its first book within the next four months, said Moxon. The Anglican representative to the Holy See in Rome is currently in negotiations with publishers to bring out Towards a Church Fully Reconciled, a series of essays that will tackle the tough difficulties, Moxon said.
ARCIC has looked at its work since the Second Vatican Council and divided the issues into three categories areas of agreement, issues on which the churches are still seeking agreement and areas of disagreement.
Despite 80-per-cent agreement on such questions as Church structure, Eucharist, liturgy and ethics, disagreements on ordination of women to the priesthood and as bishops, ordination of openly gay bishops, blessings of same-sex relationships and moves in some parts of the Anglican communion to redefine marriage to include same-sex unions have derailed or slowed talks over the past decade.
The current topic of discussion at ARCIC is meant to meet these controversies head-on, said Canadian Anglican Bishop Linda Nicholls.
If weve come to so much agreement in ARCIC I and ARCIC II, why is it weve arrived in such different places (on sexual equality and sexual ethics)? asked Nicholls, summing up the current work of the commission. Were almost so close that the last little bit is so hard.
Nicholls is also a member of the Anglican-Roman Catholic Dialogue of Canada, which, since it was founded in 1971, has always had at least one member on the international body. The Canadian group scheduled its meeting this year to overlap with the international meeting in Toronto so there could be discussion between the two levels, Nicholls said.
ARC plans to publish this year a collection of all the ARCIC II papers issued between 1983 and 2005, ending with Mary: Grace and Hope in Christ. The Canadian collection of these documents will also include commentary and essays.
That there are tough issues and serious disagreements cannot be an excuse for doing little or nothing, Archbishop Bernard Longley, the British Catholic co-chair of ARCIC III, said in his homily at evensong in St. James Cathedral.
ARCIC is now faced with questions that did not exist at the beginning of the official dialogue, said Longley. While theres been a lot of focus on the Anglican storm over same-sex marriage, Catholics have their own issues when it comes to moral teaching, including the reception of Humanae Vitae, said Longley. The Churchs official teaching against artificial birth control has failed to persuade many married Catholics. A 2011 study found that only two per cent of Catholic women between 15 and 44 in the United States use natural family planning and a 2014 survey of 12,000 Catholics in 12 countries found that more than 90 per cent of Catholics in France, Brazil, Spain, Argentina, and Colombia have no problem with artificial birth control.
Official ecumenical dialogues have traditionally called upon some of the most distinguished thinkers in theology and church history to contribute to their work. Including the 1967 preparatory commissions Malta Report, the three stages of ARCIC have produced 20 agreed statements which have included thorough examinations of the theologies of Eucharist, ordination, the Church as Communion, authority and leadership and the role of Mary in the Church. But when it comes to how the Church actually understands and carries out official teaching, the dialogue may in fact need the help of sociologists and others in the social sciences, said Boston auxiliary Bishop Art Kennedy. The dialogue cant be maintained in a closed room sealed off from the life and culture of the Church on the ground, he said.
We all live in this post-modern culture. Its in the air that we breathe, said Kennedy.
Getting the achievements of ARCIC to date translated from theological papers into practical pastoral plans and programs is going to require help from ARCICs big brother, the International Anglican-Roman Catholic Commission for Unity IARCCUM. This organization of bishops was established in Toronto in 2000 and maintains a web site at iarccum.org.
ARCIC hopes to bring together 36 pairs of Anglican and Roman Catholic bishops in Rome Oct. 5 and 6 for a meeting with Pope Francis and Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby.
Now the time has come for it to become an action, said Moxon.
Especially when we have Roman Catholic bishops spouting such nonsense as, "We all live in this post-modern culture. Its in the air that we breathe."
My great-uncle, a very lapsed Catholic, returned to the church shortly before his death. His funeral service was at a famous LA mortuary, but because it was not part of the church, a Roman Catholic priest could not officiate at his funeral. But the mortuary was able to provide a “Catholic-like” service by using an Episcopalean priest instead. We were told that no one would be the wiser.
Who told you that?
There is just no point to this stupidity.
They believe different things and no amount of rationalizing will make it “work”.
Who told you that?
I’m an Anglican. I don’t want to be a Roman Catholic. Services are virtually identical but this Pope is a disgrace.
I just got a Bernie ad featuring the Pope from my Roman Catholic sister.
This Pope is a deluded socialist. Cannot be infallible.
IMHO of course!
I sorry for you; but that's your loss. I'll pray for you.
Why would you pray for that. I think it’s my decision where I want to attend church. Unless you believe Roman Catholics are the only true Christians. I’m Anglo Catholic and just fine with it, thanks.
“Why would you pray for that.”
You have to ask? ebb tide is Catholic, as am I, and we would like everyone else to be Catholic as well. Jesus wants everyone to be one in Him.
“I think its my decision where I want to attend church.”
It is your decision. And your responsibility. We all have to answer for what we do.
“Unless you believe Roman Catholics are the only true Christians.”
No, all Christians are Christians, but that doesn’t mean that all Christians have the fullness of faith as handed down by Christ and His Apostles.
“Im Anglo Catholic and just fine with it, thanks.”
So the measuring stick is what you’re “just fine with”? Years ago, when I discovered the great modern philosopher Mortimer Adler was still alive and still working (albeit in a nursing home), I sent him an email about something that had always made me wonder. Adler was raised in a nominally or culturally Jewish home and considered himself a pagan in a sense. He did, however, become an Episcopalian in the 1980s. His wife was an Episcopalian. When I discovered this I was curious. I wrote to him asking him why would he, a man who so strenuously urged his students and readers to follow the stream of knowledge back to its original source, not do the same thing with Christianity? Shortly afterward he became a Catholic. I don’t think it was because of my email. He had been considering becoming Catholic for a while and apparently waited until after his wife passed on to swim the Tiber.
I respect the liturgical traditions of so-called Anglo-Catholics, but wonder what the point is of belonging to a group that is neither truly Anglican nor truly Catholic. Why settle for the run-off stream when you could have the river from which it came?
I’m put off by your Pope, really. Don’t want to be Roman. You are being Judgemental IMHO.
“Im put off by your Pope, really.”
Oh, so it’s only about the pope? I think we both know that isn’t true. What about Pope Benedict XVI put you off? Pope John Paul II? St. Peter? Does anything about Henry VIII put you off? I can’t take your comment too seriously.
“Dont want to be Roman.”
Don’t be. I’m not. I’m just Catholic.
“You are being Judgemental IMHO.”
You mean like you are in regard to being put off by Pope Francis? My judgment is that a lot of people who use the word “Judgemental” understand even less than they know how to spell it.
If you want to discuss thing logically, historically, biblically, fine. Emotional labels like “Judgemental” are for middle school girls, not adults. 1 Corinthians 13:11
It was never about the Pope, although this one is quite insane. Now he thinks you should marry a Muslim.
If I had my true choice I’d be Orthodox., actually.
“It was never about the Pope, although this one is quite insane. Now he thinks you should marry a Muslim.”
No, he never said that. You apparently were taken in by the false Infowars headline: http://www.infowars.com/pope-francis-likens-jesus-to-isis-says-muslims-migrants-must-breed-with-europeans/
“If I had my true choice Id be Orthodox., actually.”
It’s America, you have a choice. Get to it rather than making excuses.