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False News Claim of Methodist/Islamist Convergence
The Institute on Religion and Democracy ^ | 8 Dec 16 | Mark Tooley

Posted on 12/09/2016 10:59:02 AM PST by xzins

The websites of New York anti-Islam crusader Pamela Geller and radio conspiracist Alex Jones are claiming an obscure United Methodist congregation in Waco, Texas is part of a plan to Islamicize Methodist churches.

According to PamelaGeller.com:

On-the-ground sources in west Texas confirm that the United Methodist Church (UMC) is potentially engaged in a massive operation designed to reprogram churches as virtual mosques in preparation for a deluge of Muslim refugees.

The article quotes at length an anonymous reported church member who, “fearing for his safety,” told PamelaGeller.com that Bosqueville United Methodist Church (UMC) in Waco might offer “Catholic-style ‘sanctuary’ protections for Muslim refugees, including possible terrorists (ISIS, al Qaeda, etc.).”

According to the supposed anonymous source, an interim pastor for weeks was “inundating the congregation with watered down, Islamized scripture,” after which the church was asked to host Muslim refugees, which the church supposedly rejected. Ominously, PamelaGeller.com also “learned that the church installed state-of-the-art video surveillance systems” whose “content is viewed off-site at an undisclosed location; even the church staff supposedly do not know where the content can be viewed.”

The article claims churches are increasingly “getting visits from ‘clergy’ urging them to virtually roll over and accept an Islamic future.” It suggests United Methodism might receive Muslim refugees and cosequent Islamicization because of the “typically hyper-partisan composition of its congregations,” an odd assertion to anyone familiar with the denomination. Additionally, it says, “there’s also evidence that suggests Hillary Clinton may be behind UMC’s new Islamic flavor,” since the Washington, DC church she attended 1993-2001 now partners with a Muslim group.

In a further flight from reality, the article claims, as an illustration of the threat, that “10,000 churches in the UK alone were volunteered to be used as mosques to accommodate the influx of assimilation-resistant Muslims.” It links to another article that makes no such claim but that instead reports the closure of 10,000 British churches in recent decades.

The articles concludes melodramatically:

From Kool-Aid drinking gone wrong, to today’s unholy union of government, churches, and Islamic invaders, Waco is yet again ground zero for a suicidal event – but this time, every life in the country may be at stake.

Not to be outdone, but apparently based exclusively upon PamelaGeller.com without bothering to seek additional sourcing, Alex Jones’ InfoWars.com website breathlessly claimed:

The United Methodist Church is reportedly implementing a statewide plan to revamp Texas churches into “virtual mosques” catering to incoming Muslim migrants. The UMC, which has been criticized for perceived liberal drift in its theology, is preparing its congregations for Catholic-style “sanctuary” protections for migrants, including those with terrorist ties, according to an insider.

InfoWars.com reiterated that PamelaGeller.com’s supposed anonymous source said “he learned about the ‘virtual mosque’ program after an interim pastor began preaching Sufi Islamic parables in an attempt to ‘tenderize’ the church to accept Islamification.”

The Drudge Report linked to the InfoWars.com account and tweeted it to its one million followers.

Meanwhile a Waco local TV station investigated the story and found no evidence to support the colorful claims that a Waco church was potentially a tool for Islamicizing churches. “You can’t believe everything that you read,” the church’s new pastor is quoted in response. “I’ve just never heard anything like that before.” An elderly church member who says he hasn’t missed church in five years reports never hearing any sermon like what PamelaGeller.com claimed.

Bosqueville United Methodist Church as of 2015 had only 49 members and an average attendance of 33, with likely minimal financial resources, probably making it an unlikely target for refugee resettlement much less an effective tool for Islamization.

So was the histrionic PamelaGeller.com report based on at least a factual fragment? Maybe the interim minister suggested openness to Mideast refugees and one listener exaggerated the message. Or did PamelaGeller.com’s writer fabricate the entire story by referencing an imaginary anonymous source, while assuming a tiny church had little capacity for response?

Do false news outlets even care if rebutted? Doubtless many tens of thousands will gobble up the silly claims from PamelaGeller.com and InfoWars.com without ever hearing any rebuttal.

Recently on Facebook I noticed a former beloved pastor of mine, now retired and in his 80s, pleading for his Facebook friends to help him understand which reports were reliable and which were not. He referenced a particular false news story that apparently originated in Eastern Europe but was widely circulated in the USA. This retired pastor was confused, because after all, many of his friends had posted this story. So it must be valid, right?

As someone who for many years has tried to report accurately about United Methodism, and often very critically from a conservative/orthodox perspective regarding our denomination’s controversies, I am troubled that false news is no longer so abstract but has now afflicted my own church, which has enough real problems without fabricated ones.

Christians on social media are especially vulnerable to false news inroads. I hope more will try to be more skeptical and discerning.


TOPICS: Current Events; General Discusssion; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: alexjones; denial; fakenews; geller; gellerreport; infowars; islamic; methodist; religiousleft; texas; umc
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1 posted on 12/09/2016 10:59:02 AM PST by xzins
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To: All; rhett october; Gamecock

The fake news about a small Texas church and Islam is herein debunked.


2 posted on 12/09/2016 10:59:41 AM PST by xzins (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: xzins

It’s so fake, I hadn’t heard about it yet


3 posted on 12/09/2016 11:02:46 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you really want to irritate someone, point out something obvious they are trying hard to ignore.)
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To: xzins

It’s the seriesness of the charge. Waco (e.g. Shootout at the Twin Peaks corral) is a crazy place and needs to provide data to prove that it is not.


4 posted on 12/09/2016 11:02:48 AM PST by Paladin2 (No spellcheck. It's too much work to undo the auto wrong word substitution on mobile devices.)
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To: Paladin2

The proper name of that city south of here is ZimbabWaco.


5 posted on 12/09/2016 11:05:21 AM PST by MrEdd (MrEdd)
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To: AppyPappy

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3503046/posts


6 posted on 12/09/2016 11:06:42 AM PST by xzins (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: xzins
Do false news outlets even care if rebutted?


NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC do not seem to care.
7 posted on 12/09/2016 11:10:00 AM PST by The_Media_never_lie ( http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?p0=263&iso=20170120T00&msg=Time%20left%20until%20Obama)
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To: xzins

Fake or NOT, Christian churches have to be aware of Muslim “invaders” in ALL of our churches, odumbo in particular.


8 posted on 12/09/2016 11:11:30 AM PST by DaveA37
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To: MrEdd
I defer to your knowledge.

I'm only aware of the Branch Dividians, The Shootout, and maybe a cafeteria debacle. (Though Hasan maybe a relatively local perp)

9 posted on 12/09/2016 11:11:40 AM PST by Paladin2 (No spellcheck. It's too much work to undo the auto wrong word substitution on mobile devices.)
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To: xzins

A debunking worthy of the DPRK or Pravda.


10 posted on 12/09/2016 11:11:51 AM PST by Organic Panic (Rich White Man Evicts Poor Black Family From Public Housing - MSNBCPBSCNNNYTABC)
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To: xzins

http://pamelageller.com/2016/12/local-texas-united-methodist-church-waco-now-embracing-islam.html/

What is the truth here?


11 posted on 12/09/2016 11:12:41 AM PST by The_Media_never_lie ( http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?p0=263&iso=20170120T00&msg=Time%20left%20until%20Obama)
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To: Organic Panic

???


12 posted on 12/09/2016 11:14:01 AM PST by xzins (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: The_Media_never_lie; Organic Panic
Here's the important part of Tooley's article:

Meanwhile a Waco local TV station investigated the story and found no evidence to support the colorful claims that a Waco church was potentially a tool for Islamicizing churches. “You can’t believe everything that you read,” the church’s new pastor is quoted in response. “I’ve just never heard anything like that before.” An elderly church member who says he hasn’t missed church in five years reports never hearing any sermon like what PamelaGeller.com claimed.
Bosqueville United Methodist Church as of 2015 had only 49 members and an average attendance of 33, with likely minimal financial resources, probably making it an unlikely target for refugee resettlement much less an effective tool for Islamization.

13 posted on 12/09/2016 11:16:55 AM PST by xzins (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: xzins

and yet the garbage continues to be posted


14 posted on 12/09/2016 11:17:27 AM PST by bigbob (We have better coverage than Verizon - Can You Hear Us Now?)
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To: xzins

It is certainly true that this or that UMC local church will do this sort of thing, and has done this sort of thing.

It is also true that the “central” administrative and executive “officials” of the UMC are politically aligned with the radical Progressive left.

At the same time, Alex Jones’ Infowars and radio show is pretty wacko. Not a credible source of information.


15 posted on 12/09/2016 11:17:33 AM PST by mbarker12474
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To: xzins

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I must have missed the debunking.

It does sound plausible, judging by what I have seen in SF Bay Area, and western Washington state UMC parishes.

Rather than sloughing it off, it would seem appropriate to increase one’s defenses.

The decay of the churches is Biblically supported.
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16 posted on 12/09/2016 11:18:09 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: bigbob

I’m an ordained UMC elder, but I’m a conservative. I have no problem with calling out our denomination when it deserves it. But I know these little country churches of 30-40 people. If a constant attender says he’s never heard such a sermon, then I’m confident that it hasn’t happened.


17 posted on 12/09/2016 11:19:23 AM PST by xzins (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: mbarker12474

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Pam Geller has always been solidly reliable.

She constantly places herself in danger to bring us the facts.
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18 posted on 12/09/2016 11:20:58 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

See #13. An eyewitness debunking.

And Texas is one of our most conservative areas, so it’s unlikely one would find other than a conservative, rural church. They are Texans and Methodists. Bear that in mind.


19 posted on 12/09/2016 11:21:19 AM PST by xzins (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: mbarker12474

I wouldn’t trust the UMC hierarchy on anything.

But I do trust the word of a member who hasn’t missed in years who says he’s never heard of such a sermon ever being preached in his church.


20 posted on 12/09/2016 11:22:23 AM PST by xzins (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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