[arthurus]

And it was the Catholic Church that promoted the Crusades and the defensive wars against the Turks at Lepanto et al. I guess times do change.

[publius911]

And it was the Catholic Church that promoted the Crusades and the defensive wars against the Turks at Lepanto et al. I guess times do change.

Not everyone forgets. I know a few people who have always celebrated both the anniversaries of the battle of Vienna Sept 12, and the battle of Lepanto, Oct 7.

Long before 9-11...