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Methodist Court Ruling a Blow for First Openly Lesbian Bishop
nbc ^ | April 29, 2017 | ap

Posted on 04/29/2017 8:54:06 PM PDT by Morgana

The first openly lesbian bishop in the United Methodist Church can stay on the job for now, but she is subject to a disciplinary review that could lead to her removal, the top church court ruled Friday.

Bishop Karen Oliveto's civil marriage to another woman violates church law that bars clergy who are "self-avowed practicing homosexuals," the Judicial Council said. However, a decision over whether she can remain in the position must come from a separate disciplinary process, the court ruled.

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TOPICS: Mainline Protestant; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: homosexualagneda; homosexualclergy; methodist; religiousleft; umc
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1 posted on 04/29/2017 8:54:06 PM PDT by Morgana
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To: Morgana

Does the UMC actually have any straight female clergy?


2 posted on 04/29/2017 9:01:04 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

That’s a great question. Also, are there any female conservative clergy in the UMC?

Are there any Christian female clergy anywhere that are conservative?

Freegards


3 posted on 04/29/2017 9:07:12 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: Morgana

Sodom and Gomorrah


4 posted on 04/29/2017 9:11:48 PM PDT by Cedar
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To: Morgana

I’m stumped and stunned, that the issue of homosexuality, has the potential to tear denominations apart like this.

But we may well see schisms in churches over this very issue.

Some churches and denominations will hold to traditional values, and reject open homosexuality and homosexual marriage.

Others, will bend over backwards to prove they are liberal, and openly accept homosexuality. Some may even perform homosexual marriages to prove how liberal they are.


5 posted on 04/29/2017 9:12:27 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Are there any groups that now accept ‘gay marriage’ that didn’t first accept female clergy?

Also, why didn’t a married clergy stop gays from being openly accepted in these groups?

Freegards


6 posted on 04/29/2017 9:17:33 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

My minister is a female married twice. Both times to men. She is married to a guy I like quite a lot. She is a liberal, however. I think she is fine and has a lot to say that I learn from. I am ready though, for our congregation to hire a man with fire in his belly.


7 posted on 04/29/2017 9:20:03 PM PDT by oldplayer
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; Chode

I’ve wonder that about them and our whipping boy the Episcopagans.


8 posted on 04/29/2017 9:20:44 PM PDT by Morgana ( Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: oldplayer

Should add, that I attend a traditional United Methodist Church.


9 posted on 04/29/2017 9:21:05 PM PDT by oldplayer
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To: Ransomed

I know two female UMC pastors who are very conservative religiously and politically. They are the two most recent pastors at my father’s church. The fact they are they that conservative as Methodists surprised me as much as their being conservative as female clergy.


10 posted on 04/29/2017 9:22:21 PM PDT by Southside_Chicago_Republican (If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
I’m stumped and stunned, that the issue of homosexuality, has the potential to tear denominations apart like this. But we may well see schisms in churches over this very issue.
Some churches and denominations will hold to traditional values, and reject open homosexuality and homosexual marriage.
Others, will bend over backwards to prove they are liberal, and openly accept homosexuality. Some may even perform homosexual marriages to prove how liberal they are.

All cultures and faiths consider homosexuality/bisexuality to be wrong-sinful. Any church which DOES accept homosexuality/bisexuality deserves schism and ruin as anything but heterosexuality and sex WITHIN marriage is contrary to God's law.

The only opinion that counts is GOD'S OPINION. Why wait until judgment to finally GET IT?

11 posted on 04/29/2017 9:26:45 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: Southside_Chicago_Republican

Wild. Are they married or what?

Freegards


12 posted on 04/29/2017 9:28:01 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: Ransomed

The Lutheran Church, Missouri Synod.


13 posted on 04/29/2017 9:29:04 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I thought the LCMS didn’t have any female clergy?

Freegards


14 posted on 04/29/2017 9:30:59 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: Ransomed

I mis-read your past to include all clergy.


15 posted on 04/29/2017 9:33:45 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: Ransomed

Yes. One is married to another UMC pastor, and the other to a nondenominational evangelical pastor.

I have never been very impressed with a lot of the female clergy I have encountered, but I like these two. They have solid spiritual and theological foundations. They work hard, and do good a good job.

Both have assured the congregation that they will not preside at same-sex weddings.


16 posted on 04/29/2017 10:02:21 PM PDT by Southside_Chicago_Republican (If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.)
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To: Morgana
Earlier this week, bishops announced a special 2019 meeting of its top legislative body, or General Conference, expressly to address church law on sexuality and find ways the denomination can avoid schism.

Too late.

And they really think they can let a problem like this fester for two years? The way the LBGT Nazi wing of the Democrat Party is attacking normal they won’t have a church by 2019.

17 posted on 04/29/2017 10:07:46 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.L)
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To: Southside_Chicago_Republican

Like I said, pretty wild indeed. You certainly wouldn’t know such things existed per normal media. I wonder if they get even more flak from libs than a conservative male pastor would, or if it gives them some protection being female.

Freegards


18 posted on 04/29/2017 10:08:27 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: Ransomed

They are in southern Illinois, so that makes some difference. I have been away from the UMC for a long time, but from past experience I recall a significant presence of conservatism and traditional Methodism in the south and parts of the Midwest. I would imagine that pastors such as these two ladies do not exist at all in a place such as Chicago.


19 posted on 04/29/2017 10:17:43 PM PDT by Southside_Chicago_Republican (If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The UMC has torn lots of pages out of their Bibles, they just keep proving I did the right thing when I became a recovering Methodist. If I am ever in a Church and a woman goes to the pulpit do not get between me and the EXIT.


20 posted on 04/29/2017 11:03:30 PM PDT by c-b 1 (Reporting from behind enemy lines, in occupied AZTLAN.)
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