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Major Discovery Concerning Revelation 12
Unsealed ^ | 7/11/17 | Gary

Posted on 07/11/2017 2:04:09 PM PDT by amessenger4god

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1 posted on 07/11/2017 2:04:09 PM PDT by amessenger4god
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To: amessenger4god

I’ve looked at this on YT (search revelation 12 sign). Not a joke.


2 posted on 07/11/2017 2:20:18 PM PDT by freedomjusticeruleoflaw (Western Civilization- whisper the words, and it will disappear. So let us talk now about rebirth.)
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To: freedomjusticeruleoflaw

And .... September 23, 2017 revelation 2.


3 posted on 07/11/2017 2:21:47 PM PDT by freedomjusticeruleoflaw (Western Civilization- whisper the words, and it will disappear. So let us talk now about rebirth.)
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To: amessenger4god

Well, that’s a sloppy hermeneutic.

John wrote a grammatical error? And you know better than he does which word he should have used?


4 posted on 07/11/2017 2:28:18 PM PDT by lurk
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To: amessenger4god

Many good points, but many holes as well.

Implication is that the male child is caught away soon after birth - not after a long period of time.

I’m sure you know Darby’s teaching on the overcomers - that only those who are spiritually ready, walking with God, will be raptured pre-trib, and that the rest of the church will be caught up through the tribulation as they are purified and seek to walk with God during it.

I don’t ‘buy the traditional view that the woman is Israel and the child is Christ. Too much doesn’t fit with that and it is a twisted interpretation.

Could the woman be the church? Seems possible to me -

I personally have held all views throughout my 50 years serving the Lord. Now, to be honest and true to the scripture I know well - I just don’t know - and see serious holes in everyone’s explanations. I am sceptical of any who say they’ve got it all figured out. No one does.

Our fellowship has been seriously studying Revelation for the last year and some are serious students of scripture as I am - 2 other “former” pastors. We all agree. There is so much we don’t know - and dare not be dogmatic about.

I sense some of that attitude in your first part - and appreciate it......

BTW - I don’t believe “the body of Christ” is a metaphor. It is a spiritual reality......He dwells in two bodies (no - we cannot explain that - as we cannot explain much spiritual truth) - one at the right hand of the Father who we will see face-to-face, and His church. IMHO, of course.

See Watchman Nee’s, “The Body of Christ - A Reality”. No - I am not a Nee-ite, though his ministry has profoundly affected my life and ministry........


5 posted on 07/11/2017 2:28:36 PM PDT by Arlis
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To: amessenger4god
Stupid thread.

Headline makes no sense.

6 posted on 07/11/2017 2:30:13 PM PDT by publius911 (Less Tweets More Golf! it works!!!)
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To: amessenger4god
If I have to fight to the death to accept or reject a faith, I would rather reject them all and rely on human reason.

If it's all right with you?

7 posted on 07/11/2017 2:37:07 PM PDT by publius911 (Less Tweets More Golf! it works!!!)
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To: amessenger4god

Do you know how kooky one failed end-times prediction after another makes all believers look?


8 posted on 07/11/2017 2:39:51 PM PDT by fso301
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To: amessenger4god

Please explain the many warnings by our Lord Jesus that we must be READY for His return, to “watch and pray”......there is a dominant theme in His words that there are serious implications for those who are NOT READY.

What about the ten virgins? I have to believe those are SAINTS or they would not be called virgins. They all had lamps and had oil (Holy Spirit) at one time. Unbelievers have neither.

They were not ready for the wedding feast - the first stage of the coming together of the groom and the bride.

What percentage of the church is a.) closely walking with the Lord, and b.) eagerly watching and praying and looking for His coming? would you not admit that that does not describe most saints?

I believe from all the Lord’s warnings and those in the rest of the NT there have to be consequences for the believer who is not walking with Him when He comes. Serious consequences.

While salvation is solely by faith in the person and work of the Lord Jesus, it is clear that rewards for believers are based on works.

Could it be that the first reward is being caught up when he comes in the clouds?

I’m not sure.........but I do know I want to be ready, and I long to see His face, and I live like He may come in the next minute......

Am I saying I am ready? No. No one can say that. In fact, if one says he/she IS ready, they don’t have the attitude of Luke 17:10 and therefore are not ready...........


9 posted on 07/11/2017 2:43:49 PM PDT by Arlis
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To: publius911

Fine by me

You don’t have to fight to be a Christian. Merely surrender and accept Grace


10 posted on 07/11/2017 2:55:06 PM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: amessenger4god
A verse from Isaiah that now may make some sense: ISA66:07 Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.

So before the non-believing Israel goes into the Tribulation, the believing "ruled by God" are "brought forth". Just to make the connection to Revelation 12:5, "a male child" is mentioned.

The Context:

ISA66:05 Hear the word of the LORD, ye that tremble at his word; Your brethren that hated you, that cast you out for my name’s sake, said, Let the LORD be glorified: but he shall appear to your joy, and they shall be ashamed. ISA66:06 A voice of noise from the city, a voice from the temple, a voice of the LORD that rendereth recompence to his enemies. ISA66:07 Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child. ISA66:08 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children. ISA66:09 Shall I bring to the birth, and not cause to bring forth? saith the LORD: shall I cause to bring forth, and shut the womb? saith thy God.

God. KING JAMES BIBLE TOUCH - KJV (Kindle Locations 29922-29930). Kindle Edition.

Here is the schedule of coming events. Get ready!




11 posted on 07/11/2017 3:07:13 PM PDT by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR)
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Naw, THIS (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3566916/posts) is a stupid thread!
12 posted on 07/11/2017 3:36:28 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: publius911
If I have to fight to the death to accept or reject a faith, I would rather reject them all and rely on human reason. If it's all right with you?

You know what. Don't throw away your life for *a faith*.

A *faith* a religion, a church, a denomination, does not save. Only Christ saves.

If you want something, or rather someone, to live for, turn to HIM and forget all the religious nonsense.

13 posted on 07/11/2017 3:45:31 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: amessenger4god

“Next month is The Great American Eclipse and the month after is The Great Sign.”

So what will these people being saying if NOTHING happens in September?


14 posted on 07/11/2017 4:27:24 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: amessenger4god
The Hebrew word for seed is zera`. It is a collective singular, and refers not to a single human descendant but to any number of descendants collectively. So Paul either 1)had no idea what he was talking about or 2)was pulling a fast one. My guess is the latter.

Of course, trying to get this point across to people who think Genesis is a chrstian text is, to put it mildly, very difficult.

15 posted on 07/11/2017 4:33:36 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Viriycho sogeret umesuggeret mipnei Benei Yisra'el; 'ein yotze' ve'ein ba'.)
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To: amessenger4god

An eclipse over Israel might mean something. An eclipse over the US means nothing.


16 posted on 07/11/2017 4:44:48 PM PDT by aimhigh (1 John 3:23)
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To: aimhigh; ealgeone; imardmd1; Iscool; metmom; boatbums; HossB86
Spot on ... the Rapture could happen before I finish this post. BUT the start of the Tribulation is identified as when Israel signs a compact or is given a seven year assurance of Peace by the anti-Christ individual. I strongly suspect there is a time lag between the Rapture and what catastrophe that will cause, and the beginning of anti-Christ’s faux assurance. There is a reason why antichrist is identified in the Revelation as riding a white horse, carrying a bow but no arrows. Humans will plead for a person to get things working again, feed them, and bring peace to communities. His ascendancy is not forced (a bow with no arrows), he is begged to take charge and restore order.
17 posted on 07/11/2017 5:21:22 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Only 1or2? Fallacy of the undistributed middle. The Body of Christ comes to mind from Paul’s Holy Spirit inspired teaching.


18 posted on 07/11/2017 5:37:26 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: aimhigh

quote-An eclipse over Israel might mean something. An eclipse over the US means nothing.

I saw a study once that broke down the word ‘America’ to mean:
Kingdom of Heaven.
This is a prophetic nation. It can be seen in the Presidents that get elected. and maybe with those that don’t.

I read somewhere that the first major city to have this eclipse cross in the United States of America, is Salem or ‘Shalom’ Oregon.
And where it ends is also prophetic.

His Word says He uses His lights in the firmament for signs and appointed times and days and years (Genesis 1:14)
Whether we understand those signs is another thing.


19 posted on 07/11/2017 6:56:41 PM PDT by delchiante
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To: MHGinTN
Only 1or2? Fallacy of the undistributed middle. The Body of Christ comes to mind from Paul’s Holy Spirit inspired teaching.

Paul was about as "inspired" as Mohammed or Joseph Smith.

20 posted on 07/12/2017 5:32:28 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Viriycho sogeret umesuggeret mipnei Benei Yisra'el; 'ein yotze' ve'ein ba'.)
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