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Islam's Bizarre Philosophical Problem (An amazing contradictory statement: the Koran is eternal)
American Thinker ^ | 07/21/2017 | Michael Konrad

Posted on 07/22/2017 7:39:40 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

When attacking an epistemological structure, it is a often a waste of time to attack the consequences of a belief system when one can cut it down at the root. Islam has such a bizarre problem. And Muslims avoid it, for fear it would cause the whole religion to collapse.

Islam, like Judaism, is monadic. It only admits of a hard absolutely unitary deity.

However, Islam makes an amazing contradictory statement: the Koran is eternal.

This introduces a real problem.  Anything which is eternal is, by definition, deity. And that strikes at the very core of Islam's claim to a hard monotheism.

[T]he Noble Quran, as is, is forever Preserved by Allah Almighty, and therefore Its Holy Words are Eternal. -- Answering Christianity, an Islamic site.

This... sums up the doctrine of the massive majority of the Muslims, namely the People of the Sunna and the Congregation, concerning the pre-existent, pre-eternal, beginningless, and uncreated nature of the Divine Speech Allah Most High has named al-Qur'an  -- Sunnah.org

Here is their disaster. If the Koran is uncreated, the Koran is a deity. Think about it. But if the Koran is God, and Allah is God, the Islamic doctrine of hard monadic monotheism falls apart.

This is no mere sleight of hand. A few early Muslims noted the inconsistency and met an unhappy fate for bringing it up.

He said about someone who said that the Qur'an is created, "He is an unbeliever, so kill him." He said in the version of Ibn Nafi', "He should be flogged and painfully beaten and imprisoned until he repents."


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TOPICS: Apologetics; Islam; Judaism; Theology
KEYWORDS: islam; koran; quran
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1 posted on 07/22/2017 7:39:40 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
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2 posted on 07/22/2017 7:47:58 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: SeekAndFind

how does that differ from the jewish torah or the christian bible?


3 posted on 07/22/2017 8:00:25 PM PDT by SteveH
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To: SeekAndFind

“Islam, however, is so sloppily constructed ... “

So true.

Good article.


4 posted on 07/22/2017 8:05:29 PM PDT by boycott
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To: SteveH

....how does that differ from the jewish torah or the christian ...

Neither is considered a deity by Christians or Jews.


5 posted on 07/22/2017 8:06:14 PM PDT by Sasparilla ( I'm Not Tired of Winning.)
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To: Sasparilla

John 1:1


6 posted on 07/22/2017 8:14:11 PM PDT by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: SteveH

It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

John 6:63


7 posted on 07/22/2017 8:16:10 PM PDT by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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To: SteveH

Huh?

Neither Jews or Christians believe their scriptures have existed from eternity.


8 posted on 07/22/2017 8:22:56 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan (https://youtu.be/IYUYya6bPGw)
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To: HLPhat

The “Word” in John 1:1 is not the scriptures.


9 posted on 07/22/2017 8:24:07 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan (https://youtu.be/IYUYya6bPGw)
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s a murder cult.


10 posted on 07/22/2017 8:27:35 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ("Politicans are not born, they're excreted." -- Marcus Tillius Cicero)
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To: SeekAndFind

But if the Koran is God, and Allah is God, the Islamic doctrine of hard monadic monotheism falls apart.


The doctrine of the Trinity papers over the same chasm. Three Gods In One! And yet, Christianity hasn’t fallen apart.


11 posted on 07/22/2017 8:28:21 PM PDT by sparklite2 (I'm less interested in the rights I have than the liberties I can take.)
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To: Sasparilla

Mostly true. In both cases (the Torah or Bible), you need the text to lay out the landscape. In the case of the Bible, no one made a rule that you couldn’t change the wording, edit it, or even add onto it. A fair amount of the Old Testament comes from Torah material. One might imagine some hostility existing when a second crowd came up and added the New Testament onto the back of this document. In the existing culture, there isn’t any rule to hinder even the existent or addition of a 3rd testament onto the back of the first two.

In the case of the Koran, nothing can be edited, or added. If some angel did appear to one million Muslims today, giving out 40 additional pages of guidance....well, because of the rules in place, the forty pages could not be added because there weren’t going to be any other visitations or additions.


12 posted on 07/22/2017 8:30:08 PM PDT by pepsionice
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To: HLPhat

Does this sound like they’re talking about the Bible?

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,)


14 posted on 07/22/2017 8:39:18 PM PDT by sparklite2 (I'm less interested in the rights I have than the liberties I can take.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I don’t think this is necessarily an accurate understanding of what Muslims mean. They probably believe the Qur’an is eternal as Christians believe God’s Word is eternal (Psalm 119:89; Isaiah 40:8; 1 Peter 1:24-25).

And the idea of the Qur’an being “uncreated” might mean that it is so much a part of the essence of Allah (because it emanates from him) that it cannot be considered a mere creature like so many other things. Isaiah 55:11 is similar in tone to this.


15 posted on 07/22/2017 8:44:10 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: Sasparilla

“Neither is considered a deity by Christians or Jews.”

True. And Muslims don’t consider the Qur’an to be a deity either. So...?


16 posted on 07/22/2017 8:46:15 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: Arthur McGowan

Wish more folks were aware of that. The “word” is logos.


17 posted on 07/22/2017 9:07:16 PM PDT by Mach9
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To: sparklite2

What is the living Word?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logos_(Christianity)


18 posted on 07/22/2017 9:15:07 PM PDT by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: pepsionice
In the case of the Bible, no one made a rule that you couldn’t change the wording, edit it, or even add onto it.

Rev 22
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

19 posted on 07/22/2017 9:25:25 PM PDT by null and void (This is how socialists work: Erase the past, Bankrupt the present, Steal from the future.)
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To: Fiddlstix
The koran was not created, it was fabricated.

It is the collected ramblings of a con man who sought to gain worldly power and wealth by claiming that God was talking to him; crudely assembled long after his death.

20 posted on 07/22/2017 9:33:49 PM PDT by CtBigPat (Free Republic - The grown-ups table of the internet.)
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