Insanity of Martin Luther

http://www.ligonier.org/learn/series/holiness_of_god/the-insanity-of-luther/ ^ | Published on Oct 18, 2015 | R. C. Sproul, PhD

[fishtank]

R. C. Sproul's popular lecture on Protestant Reformer Martin Luther.

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The video itself is from 1986, I think.

The last five minutes are the best part.

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[heterosupremacist]

Prepare to get flamed!

[bramps]

Fail if your intent was to impugn Luther. Sproul was a fan which you would have realized if you actually watched the video before posting. The term ‘insanity’ is used in a complimentary fashion to distinguish where Luther, who truly grasped salvation thru Christ, stood relative to the lost souls of his day. (many, many of which still exist today).

Always good to hear someone spreading the true word of God. Thanks.

[heterosupremacist]

bramps - I stand corrected. Have a blessed day!

[Calvin Locke]

Luther probably had an OCD. A very driving OCD.

Then again, he did marry a woman he found in a pickled herring barrel.

[fishtank]

I did see the video - the first time was about 10 years ago.

Also, my posting history here on FR is a dead giveaway for my motivations.

Ephesians 2

(KJV)

2 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)

6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

[fishtank]

Also, that’s why I posted this comment:

“The video itself is from 1986, I think.

The last five minutes are the best part. “

[ebb tide]

Here's the correction on Luther:

Pope Francis to Lead "Common worship service" to Commemorate 5th Centenary of Lutheran Revolt

Bishop Schneider: Martin Luther is not a witness to the Gospel

[DanZ]

I would be interested in some statistics on the current state of the Purse the Church in the U.S. receives, and how much it sends to Rome.

Our Perish is down some on donations

Is it time for a new Luther to appear and shake up the current crop of Marxists?

[ebb tide]

An excerpt from the first link listed in Post #9:

Luther, the Man

Take for example what faithful Catholics have observed about Luther.

David Goldstein, the zealous Catholic convert from Judaism who was called “a 20th Century Saint Paul,” rightly remarked:

“The father of the first Protestant Church [Luther] changed the 28th verse of the 3rd chapter of St. Paul’s Epistle to the Romans to make it fit his doctrine that Christian faith minus Christian works is sufficient for salvation: ‘We hold that man is justified without works by the law of faith alone’. To one of his followers who complained that objection was being made to this perversion of the sacred text, Luther gave the cold comfort: ‘If any Papist annoys you with the word (alone) tell him straightway: Dr. Martin Luther will have it so: Papist and ass are one and the same thing.’ (Amic. Discussion, I, 127).”[11]

Goldstein goes on to explain the brutality of the Lutheran revolt: “The soldiers of the princes slaughtered the peasants, pillaged the churches and prevented Catholic worship in public. In this way Lutheranism was made the doctrine of the first Protestant Church — the State Church of Germany (1520).”[12]

Goldstein further points out that Luther denied the binding force of the moral law: “We must remove the Decalogue out of sight and heart” (De Wette, IV, 188), and again, “If Moses should attempt to intimidate you with his stupid Ten Commandments, tell him right out: ‘Chase yourselves to the Jews’ (Works, Wittenberg, ed. V 1573).”[13]

Luther, an ordained priest and consecrated religious, wantonly broke his vow of celibacy to God, and married a nun, also under a vow of celibacy. Of Luther’s debased teachings, Goldstein observed:

“Luther’s writings regarding matters of sex are the opposite of things decent. Only in Socialist free-love writings have we seen commendation of them. There Luther’s lewd writings have won for him distinction as the ‘classic exponent’ of ‘healthful sensualism’ (Bebel, Woman, p. 78, NY, 1910). Too many times through the centuries, immoralities have disgraced the Christian ministry, but Luther has the unenviable distinction of having defended sex sins as ‘necessary’.”[14]

One of Luther’s ultimate disgraces was his giving permission to Phillip Land-grave of Hesse to have two wives at once. The license was signed by Luther, Melancthon, Bauer and five other Protestant preachers.[15]

Thus it is lunacy for our Church leaders to plan to celebrate the 500th anniversary of a man who spent his life debasing Christian revelation. Yet it is not surprising. We saw similar madness in 1983, when a high Catholic Churchmen praised Luther for his “deep religiousness,”[16] thus voicing unqualified public esteem for a man whose warped religious views led him to reject the true Church, deny his priesthood, and teach that the Mass was an abomination worse than the most loathsome brothel.[17]

[fishtank]

Perish parish pair-ish

[DanZ]

Perish parish pair-ish

Well , I am not predicting that our local Parish will perish, but you never know. Many churches are closing

Darn that English Spelling

[ealgeone]

Maybe elsie would be kind enough to post the list of naughty popes.

Those who live in glass houses.

[ebb tide]

Make sure you tell her to add Pope Francis to her list.

[ealgeone]

Goldstein further points out that Luther denied the binding force of the moral law: “We must remove the Decalogue out of sight and heart” (De Wette, IV, 188),

And for context....something lost on the romman catholic.

'Hare documents it as De Wette 4, 188. "De Wette" refers to a collection of Luther's letters. The source is actually Luther's letter to Jerome Weller from 1530. I have that letter posted here, and I also have a follow up post planned on the entirety of the letter. The relevant section is:

When I drink my wine unmixed, prattle with the greatest unconcern, eat more frequently, do you think that I have any other reason for doing these things than to scorn and spite the devil who has attempted to spite and scorn me? Would God I could commit some real brave sin to ridicule the devil, that he might see that I acknowledge no sin and am not conscious of having committed any. We must put the whole law entirely out of our eyes and hearts,--we, I say, whom the devil thus assails and torments. Whenever the devil charges us with our sins and pronounces us guilty of death and hell, we ought to say to him: I admit that I deserve death and hell; what, then, will happen to me? Why, you will be eternally damned! By no means; for I know One who has suffered and made satisfaction for me. His name is Jesus Christ, the Son of God. Where He abides, there will I also abide.

http://beggarsallreformation.blogspot.com/2010/02/luther-we-must-remove-decalogue-ten.html

I really don't care about Luther.

I just wanted to expose the deceit in your post.

bb may have more on this.

[ealgeone]

Is it time for a new Luther to appear and shake up the current crop of Marxists?

Do a search on one of the posters on this thread....you'll see who the modern day Luther is with his continual anti-pope threads.

[ebb tide]

When I drink my wine unmixed, prattle with the greatest unconcern, eat more frequently, do you think that I have any other reason for doing these things than to scorn and spite the devil who has attempted to spite and scorn me? Would God I could commit some real brave sin to ridicule the devil, that he might see that I acknowledge no sin and am not conscious of having committed any. We must put the whole law entirely out of our eyes and hearts,--we, I say, whom the devil thus assails and torments. Whenever the devil charges us with our sins and pronounces us guilty of death and hell, we ought to say to him: I admit that I deserve death and hell; what, then, will happen to me? Why, you will be eternally damned! By no means; for I know One who has suffered and made satisfaction for me. His name is Jesus Christ, the Son of God. Where He abides, there will I also abide.

Thanks for having proved my point. Only a deranged man would think committing a brave sin, or any other sin, is ridiculing the devil.

The guy was a nut who only ridiculed God as he pleased Satan.

[ebb tide]

...you'll see who the modern day Luther is with his continual anti-pope threads.

Take your pick:

There's no difference between the two.

[ealgeone]

You completely misunderstand what he is saying.

If you think keeping the Ten Commandments will save you, you are wrong...because no one can keep the Ten Commandments...much less the rest of the Law.

Only through faith in Christ are we saved.