Posted on 02/09/2018 10:45:02 AM PST by massmike
As a non-Catholic, can anyone explain to me WTH is going on with Pope Francis? To an outsider, he appears to be doing everything he can to destroy his church.
“Prima Sedes a nemine judicatur.”
I thought this was interesting:
https://novusordowatch.org/2016/03/impossibility-judging-deposing-true-pope/
There is a difference between judging the pope and judging whether a given individual *is* the pope.
If I’m not mistaken, the pope has to be Catholic. If Francis claimed to be a Catholic and for whatever reason is not, is he the pope? Was he ever the pope?
There is something seriously twisted about this pope. It’s sad to watch. I am not a Catholic anymore. But my family has been put in a tailspin by this guy. I think that is his unholy mission.
“As a non-Catholic, can anyone explain to me WTH is going on with Pope Francis? To an outsider, he appears to be doing everything he can to destroy his church.”
He’s a leftard, and a leftard is a leftard first, before he is a citizen, before he is a man, before he is a priest, before he is pope.
The earlier poster is correct: it is analogous to Felonia von Pantsuit having stolen the election.
As to what’s going on, Exactly 33 years to the day prior to the great Miracle of the Sun in Fatima, that is, on October 13, 1884, Pope Leo XIII had a remarkable vision. When the aged Pontiff had finished celebrating Mass in his private Vatican Chapel, attended by a few Cardinals and members of the Vatican staff, he suddenly stopped at the foot of the altar. He stood there for about 10 minutes, as if in a trance, his face ashen white. Then, going immediately from the Chapel to his office, he composed the above prayer to St. Michael, with instructions it be said after all Low Masses everywhere.
When asked what had happened, he explained that, as he was about to leave the foot of the altar, he suddenly heard voices - two voices, one kind and gentle, the other guttural and harsh. They seemed to come from near the tabernacle. As he listened, he heard the following conversation:
The guttural voice, the voice of Satan in his pride, boasted to Our Lord: “I can destroy your Church.”
The gentle voice of Our Lord: “You can? Then go ahead and do so.”
Satan: “To do so, I need more time and more power.”
Our Lord: “How much time? How much power?
Satan: “75 to 100 years, and a greater power over those who will give themselves over to my service.”
Our Lord: “You have the time, you will have the power. Do with them what you will.”
In 1886, Pope Leo XIII decreed that this prayer to St. Michael be said at the end of “low” Mass (not “high”, or sung Masses) throughout the universal Church, along with the Salve Regina; and the practice of the congregation praying these prayers at the end of Mass continued until about 1970, with the introduction of the new rite of the Mass.
Here’s the prayer (although it is more powerful in Latin):
Saint Michael, the Archangel, defend us in battle; be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil. May God rebuke him, we humbly pray, and do thou, O prince of the heavenly host, by the power of God, thrust into Hell, Satan and all the other evil spirits, who prowl throughout the world, seeking the ruin of souls. Amen.
It should also be noted that this is the “short version” of the prayer. The complete prayer seems to be fading into oblivion.
FIRE FRANCIS
The “pope” is a joke. He is another bammy. They got along very very well. The pope has used the power of his office to favor two communist regimes and one *slamic. He is a disaster.
The problem is who determines this? The Church is a perfect society. This means she has the sufficient means to reach her end. The members have subordinating hierarchical roles. Who decides definitively that one is not a member? It would seem competent authority as in any society. Pope Pius XII is very clear on this in his encyclical on the Mystical Body of Christ.
This does not mean that if you or I became pope that we couldn’t as our first act declare him excommunicated. It just simply means we are not competent to declare him excommunicated as a juridical punishment or to declare in the name of the Church that he has excommunicated himself as a point of law.
Superior est judicatur.
Is pope Francis a closet homosexual? No, I really am beginning to wonder, given some of the things he has said and done. It is really suspect!
This pope will burn in the fires of Hell, eternally.
Your conflating this rogue pope and The Church is total B.S.
I can answer that by paraphrasing a question I often asked about our previous president.
“If Pope Francis was actively trying to destroy the church, what would he be doing differently than he is doing now?”
Glad I don’t place my ETERNAL LIFE in a POPE!!
Yours seems to be the generally accepted view.
I’m still thinking.
Did God really intend for us to be in thrall to such a terrible man? Maybe, I guess.
I didn’t know I was conflating disparate elements.
Please explain in more detail what you mean.
It’s the mysterium iniquitatis as punishment for sin. Devotion to Our Lady of Fatima, daily rosary frequent Mass and Holy Communion will help us persevere in such dark times.
Will they be foregoing fellatio or buggery for Lent?
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Jesus didn’t ‘establish rules,’ he preached obedience of the existing rules, and nothing more.
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That becomes a problem when the Mass is made the occasion of sin by liturgical abuse.
As others have said -- "The First See is judged by no one."
It isn't as simple as being excommunicated latae sententiae -- and there is no mechanism in Canon Law (at least not in the 1983 Code or its 1917 predecessor) by which to depose (or even judge) a Pope.
In the past, St. Robert Bellarmine and others had theorized how it might be that a manifestly heretical Pope could be deposed, but even those arguments (which I don't have at hand) would presuppose that *someone* (probably a portion of the College of Cardinals) would declare that the Pope has lost his office by virtue of his teaching, placing him in schism with the Church. With the See being empty, a new Pope could be elected.
But this is dicey -- because this is merely theory, not law; also, there would be those who would question the validity of the action (and thus the validity of the new Pope). If it is even possible, it would be likely that we would enter into a new era of a great schism, where we would have Pope and anti-Pope, with nobody really sure which was which.
In my opinion, the cure would be worse than the disease because of the upheaval it would cause. Pray that God will heal his diseased Church.
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