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Will Pan-Amazonian Synod Result in End to Clerical Celibacy?
National Catholic Register ^ | March 8, 2018 | Edward Pentin

Posted on 03/08/2018 1:26:02 PM PST by ebb tide

The Vatican announced today that Pope Francis has appointed members of a pre-synodal council who will collaborate with the secretariat of the Synod of Bishops in preparation for the Pan-Amazonian synod next year.

Also announced was the theme of the October 2019 synod: Amazonia: new pathways for the Church and for an integral ecology.

Of particular, though not unexpected, interest are the appointments of Cardinal Claudio Hummes and retired Bishop Erwin Kräutler to the council. Both have advocated a change in discipline to allow married clergy in the Latin rite, and the Pan Amazonian synod is expected to provide a forum to at least discuss the matter.

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TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic
KEYWORDS: amazon; ebbtrolling; francischurch; sinnod; stoptrollingebb
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1 posted on 03/08/2018 1:26:02 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide
A supporter of the ordination of women despite Pope Francis and his predecessors definitively ruling it out, Bishop Kräutler said in an interview last year that he thinks the Pan-Amazonian synod might consider the issue of viri probati, and disclosed that after meeting Pope Francis in 2014, the Holy Father had encouraged him to “courageously” explore the matter.

Why, would Bergoglio appoint Kräutler, a supporter of the ordination of women, to any pre-SinNodal council?

2 posted on 03/08/2018 1:36:42 PM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Romett)
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To: ebb tide

letting priests marry is something that should have been done long ago.

Especially since the rule goes back to 1215 A.D. and no further.


3 posted on 03/08/2018 1:37:58 PM PST by txnativegop (The political left, Mankinds intellectual hemlock)
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To: txnativegop

And how do you feel about an advocate for womyn “priests” being appointed to the pope’s next pre-Sin-Nod council?

Are you for womyn “priests”, also?


4 posted on 03/08/2018 1:44:35 PM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Romett)
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To: ebb tide

no


5 posted on 03/08/2018 1:47:07 PM PST by txnativegop (The political left, Mankinds intellectual hemlock)
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To: txnativegop
Especially since the rule goes back to 1215 A.D. and no further.

Urban legend. Google "Synod of Elvira".

6 posted on 03/08/2018 1:49:02 PM PST by Campion (Halten Sie sich unbedingt an die Lehre!)
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To: txnativegop

I’ve belonged to Catholic and Protestant parishes. There are pro’s and con’s re married clergy. The most obvious is that an unmarried Catholic priest is more fully dedicated to his flock and ministerial duties, whereas a married Protestant minister often has conflicts between interests of his family and his parish. Having a supportive family, on the other hand, often provides a perspective that relates more closely to the parishioners.


7 posted on 03/08/2018 1:52:19 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: Campion

See Lateran IV (Innocent III)


8 posted on 03/08/2018 1:58:15 PM PST by txnativegop (The political left, Mankinds intellectual hemlock)
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To: EDINVA

as well as other problems given that some priests moral compass is, shall we say, backwards?

If priests are allowed to marry, unintended consequences will sprout like dandelions. Of that I have no doubt.


9 posted on 03/08/2018 2:00:24 PM PST by txnativegop (The political left, Mankinds intellectual hemlock)
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To: txnativegop
If priests are allowed to marry, unintended consequences will sprout like dandelions. Of that I have no doubt.

Make up your mind.


10 posted on 03/08/2018 2:32:56 PM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Romett)
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To: txnativegop

Most well be homosexual marriages.


11 posted on 03/08/2018 2:49:08 PM PST by riverrunner
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To: txnativegop

It has never been OK for a priest to marry.

But for centuries, it was OK for a married man to become a priest.

The sequence is important.

married ——> priest OK

priest -——> married not OK

That’s why (among the Byzantine Greek Catholics, for instance) the seminarians who want to get married, get married before they receive Holy Orders.


12 posted on 03/08/2018 2:51:19 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Stand fast and hold the traditions ye have been taught, whether by word or our epistle. 2 Thess 2:15)
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To: ebb tide

An interesting take on this from, of all people, a South American witch-healer.

She said that likely the only reason the Catholic church still exists today is because of its celibate clergy. She explained that the celibate faithful have far more strength than those who would oppress and destroy them. It is the combination of strong faith and chastity that makes them unbeatable, she said.

But were they to surrender one or both, the days of the church would be numbered. Her opinion, of course.


13 posted on 03/08/2018 2:54:22 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Liberals have become moralistic, dogmatic, sententious, self-righteous, pinch-faced prudes.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Plus we have married deacons.


14 posted on 03/08/2018 4:00:24 PM PST by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5W)
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To: txnativegop
Read Christian Cochini's Apostolic Origins of Priestly Celibacy. In the West the practice goes back to the earliest days of the Church.
15 posted on 03/08/2018 4:18:44 PM PST by Petrosius
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To: Biggirl
Exactly.

When Bp Samuel Ruiz was Bishop in, I think, Chiapas (part of Mexico with a whole lot of extremely poor non-Spanish-speaking indigenous Indians) he was ordaining hundreds of deacons. His aim was to ordain practically all of his married-man catechists. The Vatican at that time told him to cool it.

But --- not that I'm an expert on church-growing --- I really thought having a lot of married deacons was the way to go in that church-neglected, sacrament-starved area where people hardly ever saw a priest, maybe twice a year or something.

At least the deacons could catechise, baptize, marry, and bury them in consecrated ground. \

16 posted on 03/08/2018 4:20:15 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("Actually, my two greatest assets have been mental stability and being, like, really smart." - DJT)
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To: Biggirl
Plus we have married deacons.

Only since the Second Vatican Council re-introduced it to the detriment of the priesthood.

17 posted on 03/08/2018 5:14:54 PM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Romett)
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To: ebb tide

I don’t know about “detriment.” Our parish has 2 priests and 4 deacons, and the priests (and people) are very grateful to be so deadon-blessed. It’s hard to imagine running the parish without them.


18 posted on 03/08/2018 5:51:41 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("The floor of hell is paved with the skulls of bishops." - St. John Chrysostom, Bishop)
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To: txnativegop

You are misinformed.


19 posted on 03/08/2018 6:10:39 PM PST by pbear8 (the Lord is my light and my salvation)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

A truly holy bishop attracts many priestly vocations, perhaps that is better than more deacons.


20 posted on 03/08/2018 6:14:06 PM PST by pbear8 (the Lord is my light and my salvation)
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