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To: NRx

Infallible? Seriously?


12 posted on 03/29/2018 7:53:40 AM PDT by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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To: SkyDancer

Not in this case (or most cases).


15 posted on 03/29/2018 7:57:28 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: SkyDancer

This does not meet the Catholic criteria for infallible declarations. It’s a newspaper interview not a magisterial pronouncement. That said it is certainly evidence of personal heresy.


29 posted on 03/29/2018 8:09:10 AM PDT by NRx (A man of integrity passes his father's civilization to his son, without selling it off to strangers.)
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To: SkyDancer; NRx; LydiaLong; butlerweave; BBQToadRibs; outinyellowdogcountry; simpson96; ...
Here's the really maddening part of this:

Pope Francis --- in a repeated, flagrant charade of plausible deniability --- always disguises his responsibility for such statements by hinting that he "quite possibly didn't say that." It's totally dishonest.

In this case, it was in a "private" conversation with Eugenio Scalfari, a 95-year-old atheist leftist newspaper editor, to whom he has given FIVE interviews even though he knows that Scalfari neither records them nor even takes notes. Scalfari simply "transcribes" what he "recalls" about the interview, and then publishes it.

This gives Benedict the crooked opportunity to claim that he kinda said that, but kinda didn't. In the subsequent official press release from the Vatican:

"The Holy Father Francis recently received the founder of the newspaper La Repubblica in a private meeting on the occasion of Easter, without however giving him any interviews. What is reported by the author in today’s article is the result of his reconstruction, in which the textual words pronounced by the Pope are not quoted. No quotation of the aforementioned article must therefore be considered as a faithful transcription of the words of the Holy Father."

So: this was not an interview (!) and Scalfari reconstructed the conversation from memory (which we already knew). But at no point does the Vatican Press Office explicitly deny that the Pope said that Hell doesn’t exist.

Since this is the FIFTH time Pope Francis has pulled off this exact same stunt --- saying a lot of heretical gibberish to Scalfari, and then issuing a denial that actually denies nothing --- you can only conclude that this is the deliberate guerrilla-style demolition of doctrine under no auspices and no flag.

Catholics are totally disgusted.

I've heard there's a conference coming up in Rome in just 2 weeks to discuss the conditions under which a pope could be deposed. It was originally billed as an abstract theological discussion about a hypothetical situation, but I imagine it could be a great deal more pointed now.

If you have any charity in your heart, pray for this disastrous pope to be deposed.

81 posted on 03/29/2018 9:15:21 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Satan: the Father of Lies, and a murderer from the beginning.)
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To: SkyDancer

You realize that almost nothing a pope says is infallible. You’re showing your ignorance, the last thing a pope said infallibly was over 60 years ago. On top of that I would bet $$ that what he said is that he doesn’t believe there is a PLACE called hell, in other words it may be more of a state. Anyone that says they really know is full of crap.


96 posted on 03/29/2018 10:17:03 AM PDT by nobamanomore
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