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Why Is American Catholic Leadership Ignoring the Catechism on Immigration?
PJ Media ^ | 04/07/2018 | Megan Fox

Posted on 04/07/2018 7:49:10 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

A few Sundays ago I was encouraged to take a flyer after mass detailing the Catholic position on DACA and immigration. I'll spare you the details, but it is basically amnesty. But is that really the Catholic position on immigration? Is it true that in order to be a good Catholic one must delete the borders of a nation and welcome in any person at any time for any reason without reserve? Nonsense.

I know I'm not the only one in the laity who rolls her eyes at the messaging coming from the American bishops on this issue. Sarah Hoyt eloquently wrote about the foolishness of the DACA push by Catholic leadership:

Much was said about charity and welcoming the poor and oppressed, but dear Lord, borders exist for a reason and charity is not a principle of geopolitics. The American people are generous to a fault. Many of us support children in other countries. Many send money to disaster relief around the world. But unless you believe there is some magic to the very soil that makes the U.S. prosperous, we cannot and should not allow in everyone in the world who has a need, because if we do, we will end up with our country becoming like the place they came from. (How many states see that with Californians, without even dealing with foreigners?)

Also, the church is a geopolitical identity. I am sure at some level they see a flood of Catholic immigrants, making them a power in the land. I hate to say this, but this has been obvious from the first.

The state is not the church and it cannot act like it and survive. Even Jesus acknowledged that Caesar is to be given deference in matters of state. The government has certain responsibilities which may not jive with Christian charity, and frankly, should not. This republic was not formed to do good but to resist tyranny and protect its inhabitants. That's it. This country was supposed to be a place where people could freely practice their religion and live their lives unmolested by overreaching governments, safe from foreign invaders. Our government's main and most important job is to see to the security of this nation. There is no other way to do that except to have secure borders. The security of the border trumps the humanitarian desires of the church.

This is not to say that humanitarian efforts should be squelched or impeded. One of the things that makes the American people great is their deep commitment to good works of charity. These are done often through the many churches in this nation and should and must continue! In fact, the second most important freedom we have is the freedom of religion. This allows religious organizations to act when they see injustice without the permission of the government. It enables people to give freely and often of their own accord to whatever cause they choose. The American bishops have every right to minister to anyone they choose and should encourage the laity to do the same. But they should not be actively lobbying the government to destroy our borders and flout our immigration laws.


Doing so expressly goes against the catechism:

The more prosperous nations are obliged, to the extent they are able, to welcome the foreigner in search of the security and the means of livelihood which he cannot find in his country of origin. Public authorities should see to it that the natural right is respected that places a guest under the protection of those who receive him. Political authorities, for the sake of the common good for which they are responsible, may make the exercise of the right to immigrate subject to various juridical conditions, especially with regard to the immigrants’ duties toward their country of adoption. Immigrants are obliged to respect with gratitude the material and spiritual heritage of the country that receives them, to obey its laws and to assist in carrying civic burdens. (#2241)

There are several things to understand here that are not being reflected in the bishops' arguments. "To the extent they are able" is a broad concept. The argument could easily be made that America is not able to take in the number of immigrants who are seeking a new home based on simple math. The biggest sanctuary states are on the brink of bankruptcy as it is. The Hill reports:

The total cost of illegal immigration to federal, state and local taxpayers for the nation’s 12.5 million illegal aliens has increased to $116 billion annually, according to a new study released Wednesday by the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR)... FAIR found that while illegal immigrants pay billions of dollars in taxes every year, they ultimately cost taxpayers more than seven times what they contribute.

If our nation is bankrupted, there will be no way to care for anyone. The other point in the catechism that is rarely mentioned is that "immigrants are obliged to respect with gratitude the material and spiritual heritage of the country that receives them, to obey its laws and to assist in carrying civic burdens." This is not consistent with border hopping, waving Mexican flags in defiance, and availing themselves of benefits they aren't entitled to (use of public schools, and in many cases a free college education).

This is not to say that gifting people with a free education is a bad thing. In fact, the church has been doing that for centuries and it's one of their greatest achievements solidly within the purview of the church. What gets tricky is when the church demands the government behave like them. It's unrealistic. The church has a vital role in society but it is distinctly different than that of the government. Support your parish outreach programs, volunteer and send your money to those charities they fund. But do not leave mass feeling guilty because you want a secure border and the rule of law. Those things are solidly supported by true Catholic teaching.


TOPICS: Catholic; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: aliens; catechism; catholic; francischurch; freeeducation; illegals; immigration; incursion; invasion; leadership; popefrancis; vatican
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1 posted on 04/07/2018 7:49:10 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Illegal aliens violate a countries sovereignty. This is illegal. Any entity that aids and abets illegal enterprise should be stripped of tax exempt status.


2 posted on 04/07/2018 7:54:00 AM PDT by BipolarBob (Build the Wall, with flamethrowers and machine gun nests.)
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To: SeekAndFind

They serve a different master.


3 posted on 04/07/2018 7:56:39 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: SeekAndFind
>i>Immigrants are obliged to respect with gratitude the material and spiritual heritage of the country that receives them, to obey its laws and to assist in carrying civic burdens. Yes, of course. But, moslems must refuse to do so. Their 'prophet' has them brainwashed...
4 posted on 04/07/2018 7:57:00 AM PDT by heterosupremacist (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. - (Thomas Jefferson)
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To: BipolarBob

“Any entity that aids and abets illegal enterprise should be stripped of tax exempt status.”

The problem is that can also be said in regard to confession of crimes and the seal of the confessional. The tension between Church and state will always be there.

In any case, I have always wondered by no bishop - other than Slattery in Tulsa - has brought up CCC 2241.


5 posted on 04/07/2018 7:59:33 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The vast majority of illegal aliens coming into this country are catholic. Whatever services they need are largely supported by the taxes of non-catholics while the church obtains money from those immigrants.


6 posted on 04/07/2018 8:05:35 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Why doesn’t the media investigate the process to become a citizen of Mexico? It requires that one declare oneself catholic. So, when Mexicans come here, they must declare themselves protestant, right? The hypocrisy never ends.


7 posted on 04/07/2018 8:07:01 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Catholics only follow their catechism when it suits them so I am not surprised. The overwhelming direction in the Catholic Church these days is leftist social justice from the pope on down to the exclusion of almost all else. Case in point Ted Kennedy died a good catholic despite being a murderer and supporting abortion because he gave a lot of money and voted the right way. Abortion loving leftist pelosi is still a Catholic in good standing Nuff said.....


8 posted on 04/07/2018 8:11:12 AM PDT by Mom MD ( .)
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To: Mom MD

Excellent analysis and succinct!!!


9 posted on 04/07/2018 9:03:11 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (WINNING! !!)
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To: SeekAndFind

EXACTLY what I was thinking. What ever happened to “Render unto Caesar. ..”? Suddenly law that every nation has had back to antiquity is DISMISSABLE? Since feckin’ when? Any OTHER laws Jesus ain’t down with?


10 posted on 04/07/2018 9:04:17 AM PDT by TalBlack (It's hard to shoot people when they are shooting back at you...)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
Why doesn’t the media investigate the process to become a citizen of Mexico? It requires that one declare oneself catholic.

Please cite a source for that claim.

11 posted on 04/07/2018 9:08:56 AM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: BipolarBob
"Any entity that aids and abets illegal enterprise should be stripped of tax exempt status."

If only so many in the government responsible for both the tax laws and the immigration laws were not also all-in for 'aiding & abetting' illegal aliens and the illegal activities that brought and kept them here. That includes both Democrats and RINOs.


"Young, undocumented immigrants joined members of Congress during a news conference on Tuesday ahead of President Trump's first State of the Union address."


"Two dozen undocumented immigrants will attend President Trump's State of the Union"

12 posted on 04/07/2018 9:14:24 AM PDT by drpix
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To: NorthMountain

I have already researched the citizenship process for Mexico. You look it up.


13 posted on 04/07/2018 11:00:45 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: NorthMountain
My mistake. It used to be that way. Now, it has somewhat changed. Religious persecution for those who are not catholic continues:

click here.

14 posted on 04/07/2018 11:07:33 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

OK. I clicked there. Nothing there supports your claim that “Mexico ... requires that one declare oneself catholic” to become a citizen. I conclude that your statement is FALSE.


15 posted on 04/07/2018 11:12:58 AM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: SeekAndFind

The Catholic Church makes a fortune on importing illegal colonists.


16 posted on 04/07/2018 11:17:27 AM PDT by shanover (...To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.-S.Adams)
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To: NorthMountain
At one time, that was the case in Mexico. Only catholics would be granted citizehship:

The church enjoyed a privileged position in the newly independent Mexico, where only Catholics could be counted as citizens.

Click here for full article.

17 posted on 04/07/2018 12:48:33 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: NorthMountain

I know it was a setup, but sometime you fellas get too harsh. You will learn not to question me. It will take a while, but you’ll learn.


18 posted on 04/07/2018 12:49:22 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Get over yourself. You made a false statement. End of discussion.


19 posted on 04/07/2018 1:41:14 PM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: NorthMountain

You’re never going to learn.


20 posted on 04/07/2018 2:23:11 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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