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Islamic spokesman calls [called] for No vote in abortion referendum
Irish Times ^ | May 22, 2018 | Patsy McGarry

Posted on 05/27/2018 2:48:12 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o

Dr Ali Selim: “The Eighth Amendment protects pregnant women against taking a hasty decision.”

Repeal of the Eighth Amendment “is not compassionate. It is cruel. It gives licence for murder,” Dr Ali Selim of the Islamic Cultural Centre in Dublin’s Clonskeagh has said. Abortion without restriction up to 12 weeks was “abortion for no reason,” he said.

“Bearing in mind their difficult circumstances, the Eighth Amendment protects pregnant women against taking a hasty decision,” he said. “ The right decision is the decision that one takes when one is not under pressure of any type. That said the women’s social, psychological and economic concerns during pregnancy should be addressed urgently,” he said.

“Terms have been hijacked,” he said. “The pro-abortion campaign argues that deciding to continue or to end a pregnancy is a personal and a private decision” and “should be taken in the context of an individual’s unique life circumstances,” he said.

“On the contrary, abortion can never be deemed a personal or a private decision since it has serious societal repercussions. This country, like many other parts of Europe, is in need of young generations; otherwise, we will be an old nation,” he said.

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“Numerous studies have already concluded that the EU’s population is likely to shrink in the coming decades because of prolonged periods of relatively low fertility rates. This falling number of children and young people in the total population could result in labour market shortages.

How can it be progressive when it is going to affect and transform the shape and the structure of our society and be a fundamental factor in creating serious economic issues?

“Legislation for abortion will make it even worse. This situation will affect sustainable economic growth and social life models such as pensions and healthcare services,” he said.

Claims that repeal of the Eighth Amendment would be “progressive and compassionate” were “false”, he said.

“How can it be progressive when it is going to affect and transform the shape and the structure of our society and be a fundamental factor in creating serious economic issues? It will contribute to marking a transition towards a much older population structure, a development that is already apparent in several EU member States.

“As a greater proportion of generation reaches retirement, those of working age will have to carry the burden to provide for the social expenditure required for a range of related services by the ageing population,” he said.

In cases of rape “the compassionate and progressive approach is to legislate for minimising this crisis,” he said. “No one shall kill the innocent,” he said.


TOPICS: Islam; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: abortion; catholic; islam; selim
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Interesting.

What Dr Ali Selim said is morally true and civilizationally important.

Class, discuss.

1 posted on 05/27/2018 2:48:13 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Probably a sheep in ravening wolf clothing but it is Ireland’s problem at this point, not mine.


2 posted on 05/27/2018 2:50:08 PM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: miss marmelstein
Well, as a Catholic, it's always my problem.
3 posted on 05/27/2018 2:51:23 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord and Giver of Life.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Class, discuss.

Muslim women in Ireland won't be getting abortions.

4 posted on 05/27/2018 2:52:33 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I divorced myself from Ireland (as the daughter of Irish immigrants) long ago. Ireland has been losing Catholics to the trendy, sexy, EU atheism movement for at least 15-20 years now. I have no sympathy for them. I do have sympathy for the babies, though, who will die in agony while drunken block parties continue...


5 posted on 05/27/2018 2:55:37 PM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Well, a stopped clock is right twice a day.

How ironic, a muslim showing concern for women.


6 posted on 05/27/2018 3:00:21 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Didn’t care for the socialist pitch near the end.


7 posted on 05/27/2018 3:01:28 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Here, we see two enemies of civilization, Islam and the political left.

One of them comes off looking much worse than the other in this exchange.


8 posted on 05/27/2018 3:03:52 PM PDT by Luircin
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To: Drew68

Indeed. The stupidity of the west never fails to not surprise me.


9 posted on 05/27/2018 3:07:07 PM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: Drew68

It is infinitely significant to save one life.


10 posted on 05/27/2018 3:14:06 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord and Giver of Life.)
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To: BenLurkin

Whether there’s a taxpayer-funded safety net for the elderly or not, the younger generation always has to support the older generation. Even if you have to take grandma into your house.


11 posted on 05/27/2018 3:16:24 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord and Giver of Life.)
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To: miss marmelstein

It’s the sixties and the seventies all over again just a couple of generations later. We still, have not freed ourselves of the disastrous ideas of the sixties.

The stupidity of the West? Thinking themselves wise they became fools.


12 posted on 05/27/2018 3:16:37 PM PDT by cradle of freedom
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To: cradle of freedom
Oh, exactly. Ireland is just doing what we did, 40-50 years later.

It's depressing. Perhaps I should say it's amazing they held out so long.

I love Irish music, all of it. I hugely appreciate the UCD (University College Dublin) Choral Scholars´ gloriously-voiced videos on YouTube. I learned they (or the constituency where they vote) went even more overwhelmingly Pro Culture of Death than the rest of the country.

I find I can´t listen to them anymore without crying.

13 posted on 05/27/2018 3:20:30 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord and Giver of Life.)
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To: Drew68

Yeah, but the Irish will and it will only accelerate because people are soooooo concerned with worst case scenarios they’ll turn a blind eye to anything.

Cultural suicide through infanticide is a “sacrament” of the unholy Left.

May as well put up idols to Molech.


14 posted on 05/27/2018 3:21:01 PM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

A couple of years ago they went overboard for the gay marriage vote. I saw some stories about that and it showed the use of overwhelming, over the top glitzy propaganda which swept the Irish off their feet. They will use it to push multiculturalism and anything else that they want. They have a formula, all they have to do is use it over and over.


15 posted on 05/27/2018 3:26:16 PM PDT by cradle of freedom
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To: Rurudyne

Your reference to Molech,,,I have sometimes wondered how cultures have fallen into practicing such horrible and evil behavior. I wonder if we are beginning to see how it happens as a descent into barbarism.


16 posted on 05/27/2018 3:29:19 PM PDT by cradle of freedom
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To: cradle of freedom

Moloch and Mammon. Hand in hand.


17 posted on 05/27/2018 3:35:41 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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To: cradle of freedom
But why? Why? How could "glitzy propaganda" sweep people off their feet?

This is something you don't even need special supernatural revelation for. Love for our offspring can be felt, felt! in our bones and the palms of our hands and our wombs and our blood. It's baked in. It's the the natural wisdom that tells the Mother Bear, "Don't let anybody mess with your cubs." It's the voice that tells the Mother Wolf, "Yes, lick and nuzzle and and feed those beautiful pups."

How can we be less kindly than wolves?

I don't understand how the Isle on Saints and Scholars could turn so stupid. One stupido maximo even said that Ireland would now, because of this glorious vote, be so much more tolerant, more inclusive. Inclusive? Really?

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....Everybody for 'inclusive,' raise your hand.

18 posted on 05/27/2018 4:05:20 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Alas, and alas-o! /It is your son, Mother/ Do you not know me? (Irish - Lament of the Three Marys))
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To: Mrs. Don-o

A free-fornication society needs infanticide. A clan society like Islam, not so much: the kids are kin regardless of irregularities, and therefore, they have the possibility of being an asset to the clan.


19 posted on 05/27/2018 4:29:42 PM PDT by Tax-chick (I have the easiest life in the history of the world.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

It’s the same buzzwords everywhere—”tolerant” and “inclusive”. Repeat, repeat and repeat until the public are in a cult like trance,


20 posted on 05/27/2018 4:58:21 PM PDT by cradle of freedom
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