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To: Mom MD

It’s called respect. Do you respect your elders?


15 posted on 06/23/2018 8:51:53 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation; Mom MD
It’s called respect. Do you respect your elders?

Mary is not our elder.

In Roman Catholicism this is just one additional manifestation of the worship of Mary Romans will deny.

If you will recall when the magi came to see Jesus they came in and worshiped only Him.

11After coming into the house they saw the Child with Mary His mother; and they fell to the ground and worshiped Him. Then, opening their treasures, they presented to Him gifts of gold, frankincense, and myrrh. Matthew 2:11 NASB

21 posted on 06/23/2018 9:07:56 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Salvation

Respect yes if it is earned. Worship no


60 posted on 06/23/2018 8:27:41 PM PDT by Mom MD ( .)
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To: Salvation
It’s called respect. Do you respect your elders?

And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him. But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man. (Acts 10:25-26)

There is a world of difference btwn reverential respect and what one would have a hard time in Bible times explaining, kneeling before a statue and praising the entity it represented in the unseen world, beseeching such for Heavenly help, and making offerings to them, and giving glory and titles and ascribing attributes to such which are never given in Scripture to created beings (except to false gods), including having the uniquely Divine power glory to hear and respond to virtually infinite numbers of prayers individually addressed to them

Which manner of adulation can constitute worship in Scripture , yet Catholics imagine that by playing word games then they can avoid crossing the invisible line between mere "veneration" and worship.

Moses, put down those rocks! I was only engaging in hyper dulia, not adoring her. Can't you tell the difference?

Caths should only do (and I should do more of) what Mary and every believer in Scripture did in praying to Heaven, which was to pray directly to the Lord, not saintly secretaries. But they must truly become born again for that.

Instead, Caths basically say,

As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the Lord, we will not hearken unto thee. But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes... (Jeremiah 44:16-17)

118 posted on 06/24/2018 5:22:36 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: Salvation; daniel1212; metmom; boatbums; redleghunter; ealgeone; Luircin; Mark17; MHGinTN
It’s called respect. Do you respect your elders?

Bobbing one's head as a habitual reflex at the mention of the Savior is called superstition, a token response seen even in demons. Pious Jews do this constantly whilst reading aloud the Scriptures or repetitiously uttering "prayers.". That ceaseless bobbing is called 'davening.'

What an elder desires to see (and I am one) is an instant, willing, compliant deference to the authority of God's Word and the teaching of it as delegated by God to His spiritually mature servants, not merely lip-service as a way of sliding past personal accountability for vulgar language, actions, and passive defiance to God's commands in one's own lifestyle.

"Wherefore the Lord said,

Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me,
but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:
Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder:
for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid"
(Isa 29:13,14 AV; cf Mt. 15:7-9, Mk. 7:5-9)

"Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,

'This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth,
and honoureth me with their lips;
but their heart is far from me.
But in vain they do worship me,
teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.' "
(Mt. 15:7-9 AV)

"Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him,

Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands?
He answered and said unto them,
Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written,
'This people honoureth me with their lips,
but their heart is far from me.
Howbeit in vain do they worship me,
teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.'
For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
And he said unto them,
Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. "
(Mk. 7:5-9 AV; my bolding and underlining for emphasis)

Even Peter spoke to this, in the same way giving counsel to church presbuteroi:

"The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ,
and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed:
Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly;
not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;
Neither as being lords over God's heritage, but being ensamples to the flock.
And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away.
Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another,
and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble.
Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:
Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you" (1 Pet. 51:1-7 AV).

No counsel for head-bobbing, fake external ritualistic "worshipful" motions, but those of the heart, humble toward men, meek toward The God, ready to perceive, hearken, and obey.

Be a true disciple, as those through whom Jesus planted the Holy Seed, not just a bobble-head.

210 posted on 06/28/2018 10:53:51 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: Salvation; Mom MD
It’s called respect. Do you respect your elders?

Bobbing one's head as a habitual reflex at the mention of the Savior is called superstition, a token response seen even in demons. Pious Jews do this constantly whilst reading aloud the Scriptures. It is called 'davening.'

What an elder desires (and I am one) is instant, willing deference to the authority of God's Word and the teaching of it as delegated by God to His spiritually mature servants, not merely lip-service as a way of sliding past personal accountability for vulgar language, actions, and passive defiance to God's commands in one's own lifestyle.

"Wherefore the Lord said,

Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me,
but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:
Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder:
for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid"
(Isa 29:13,14 AV; cf Mt. 15:7-9, Mk. 7:5-9)

"Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,

'This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth,
and honoureth me with their lips;
but their heart is far from me.
But in vain they do worship me,
teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.' "
(Mt. 15:7-9 AV)

"Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him,

Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands?
He answered and said unto them,
Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written,
'This people honoureth me with their lips,
but their heart is far from me.
Howbeit in vain do they worship me,
teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.'
For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
And he said unto them,
Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. "
(Mk. 7:5-9 AV; my bolding and underlining for emphasis)
212 posted on 06/28/2018 11:52:40 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: Salvation

Do you serve Mary? Do you read your beads with dedication? Do you seek the mediatrix assistance of the Catholic Mary? ... You are way beyond mere respect, you are worshipping another ‘deity’ for you have deified a mortal outside of what GOD has directed.


214 posted on 06/28/2018 12:15:14 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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