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Hillsong Worship Pastorís Evolution Comments Spark Fierce Debate Among Christians
Faithwire ^ | 06/26/2018 | Trť Goins-Phillips

Posted on 06/28/2018 7:29:59 AM PDT by Theo

Hillsong Church has, over the years, hardly avoided the limelight, often finding itself at the center of hotly-contested debates. Now one of its biggest leaders is running headlong into the creation debate.

Joel Houston, eldest son of the Sydney-based church’s founders, lead musician in the worship band Hillsong United, and co-pastor of Hillsong Church in New York City, tweeted Monday that “evolution is undeniable.”

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TOPICS: History; Religion & Science; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: creation; evolution; hillsong; houston; ybpdln
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Joel Timothy Houston is a lyricist who helped write the modern "worship" song "So Will I (100 Billion X). Lyrics are here:

https://hillsong.com/lyrics/so-will-i-100-billion-x/

Maybe you sing it in your church. This is his explanation behind the "evolution" sentiment communicated through the song:

"Evolution is undeniable—created by God as a reflective means of displaying nature’s pattern of renewal in pursuance of God’s Word—an ode to the nature of the creative God it reflects—and only ever in part—not the SOURCE! Science and faith aren’t at odds. God created the Big-Bang."

1 posted on 06/28/2018 7:29:59 AM PDT by Theo
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"Evolution is undeniable—created by God..."

This idjut does not understand 'self contradictory', does he?

2 posted on 06/28/2018 7:32:27 AM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: Theo
Ho hum. Another case of a prominent christian leader who don't even bother to read his Bible.

As if the book of Genesis wasn't enough, they also ignore that right in the middle of the Ten Commandments it's written "and in 6 days He created the heavens and the Earth".

3 posted on 06/28/2018 7:34:55 AM PDT by prophetic (Trump is today's DANIEL. Shut the mouth of lions Lord, let his enemies be made the Cat Food instead.)
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To: Theo

Joel, just shut up and sing.


4 posted on 06/28/2018 7:38:37 AM PDT by Fido969 (In!)
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To: Theo

You can be certain that if such Christians compromise on an issue such as creation, they are likely compromised in many other critical doctrines of Christianity.


5 posted on 06/28/2018 7:43:09 AM PDT by fwdude (History has no 'sides;' you're thinking of geometry.)
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To: prophetic

Six days as 13 billion years by relativity.


6 posted on 06/28/2018 7:45:35 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: rjsimmon

I wouldn’t be too hard on him. “Evolution” means different things to different people. To me, everything adapts, but what I actually mean by that is that everything mutates. And any “evolution” that takes place, for the most part, is really “de-evolution”.

And often, when people say something evolved, it is really the population that evolved. The population of north America has very much evolved over the last 600 years. But no individual people evolved.


7 posted on 06/28/2018 7:47:03 AM PDT by robroys woman (So you're not confused, I'm using my wife's account.)
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To: Theo; rjsimmon; Fido969
Trailer for "Is Genesis History"

FReegards!

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8 posted on 06/28/2018 7:48:18 AM PDT by Agamemnon (Darwinism is the glue that holds liberalism together)
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To: Theo

This guy needs to spend a couple hours with Ken Ham or any other creation scientist and examine his premises.

He’ll be found wanting.


9 posted on 06/28/2018 7:48:31 AM PDT by cyclotic ( We’re the first ones taxed, the last ones considered and the first ones punished)
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To: robroys woman

Concur and quite agree that words mean things and some have a tendency to become too malleable.

What evolutionary scientists see in living things and calls “Evolution”, I see as God’s design activating subroutines in the DNA that are adaptability and mean the survival of the species.


10 posted on 06/28/2018 7:51:47 AM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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I am a creationist evolutionist. I firmly believe in a God that created Earth. I also do not believe he created Earth in it's current state. In other words what He created evolved into what we have now.

Flame away.

11 posted on 06/28/2018 7:53:01 AM PDT by Hyman Roth
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To: Agamemnon

I shall be sure to view it at home. I sit behind a rather unforgiving firewall and can only view YouTube for work.


12 posted on 06/28/2018 7:53:12 AM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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Yep. I’ve read articles about modern Europeans are the progeny of those that survived the plague. And all that that implies.

It doesn’t mean anybody evolved, but rather that the “weak” genes died out with the people that carried them.


13 posted on 06/28/2018 7:54:12 AM PDT by robroys woman (So you're not confused, I'm using my wife's account.)
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To: Theo

As a software developer I agree that evolution is undeniable. Like software, I believe life has evolved from new version to new version with some old versions still in use. Again, like software, I don’t believe new versions of life come about by accident or random chance.

Nobody sees an updated app and thinks it happens because lightning struck some goo. Nobody who waits in line to buy a new iPhone is glad DNA from the iPhone 1 has been slowly mutating by itself to make newer and newer iPhones.

That’s how I see evolution. Not by natural selection. Not even by “theistic evolution” (a phrase used by people who believe God created natural selection billions of years ago and has been sitting back since watching His handiwork automatically spring up new species). I believe the Earth is billions of years old, that the word “day” in Genesis 1 means “era of unspecified length”, and that every now and then God interacts with His creation and creates a new species. One of those He actually breathed life into from Himself.


14 posted on 06/28/2018 7:55:48 AM PDT by Tell It Right
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To: Hyman Roth

No need for flaming. Your view is simply mis-labeled. God created the Earth. How long He took is recorded by Moses as God revealed it to him. You calling it ‘evolved’ is truly adaptation of His design that allows for natural occurrences to change the face of our environment. Nothing that has happened has caught the Almighty unawares, which is essentially what Evolution would need to do.


15 posted on 06/28/2018 7:56:06 AM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: Hyman Roth

Yep.

I’ll add: A lot of time could have passed between verses 2 and 3 in Genesis 1.

Imagine A story that says, “In the beginning, Johnny was born. And God said, leg Johnny graduate college and get married, and it was morning and evening the first day.

First day of what? Johnny’s life, or Johnny’s adult life?

But none of this has to do with the Gospel.


16 posted on 06/28/2018 7:57:53 AM PDT by robroys woman (So you're not confused, I'm using my wife's account.)
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To: Theo

OK Joel

Show me something that has evolved into something else.


17 posted on 06/28/2018 8:00:39 AM PDT by AppyPappy (Don't mistake your dorm political discussions with the desires of the nation)
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To: Theo

Evolution is undeniable in the sense that the fact that life changes to adapt to it’s environment over the generations is pretty well-documented.

It does not mean that man once made some great leap from the apes.


18 posted on 06/28/2018 8:00:53 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Theo

didn’t read article for full context of quote, if even given in article. i don’t like hillsong church tv or any of it for that matter - just got some phony vibe when I first heard of them years ago, just like some other local and national/global preachers can be phony - 1/2 biblical, etc in their speaking and actions..

That said - “evolution” can simply mean it’s definition, evolving, changing. I have evolved since accepting Jesus and letting the power of God change me.

Just because Merriam webster lists darwin nonsense as #1 of it’s definition doesn’t mean Merriam webster is right in doing so. Evolution meant definition 2, 3, etc before Darwin even existed probably.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/evolution


19 posted on 06/28/2018 8:01:43 AM PDT by b4me (God Bless the USA)
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To: Tell It Right


I agree. In fact, the word translated “days” In Exodus 20:11 (yom) actually is translated many different ways in the bible. In fact, here is the list of different translations in the NASV:

afternoon* (1), age (8), age* (1), all (1), always* (14), amount* (2), battle (1), birthday* (1), Chronicles* (38), completely* (1), continually* (14), course* (1), daily (22), daily the days (1), day (1115), day of the days (1), day that the period (1), day’s (6), day’s every day (1), daylight* (1), days (635), days on the day (1), days to day (1), days you shall daily (1), days ago (1), days’ (11), each (1), each day (4), entire (2), eternity (1), evening* (1), ever in your life* (1), every day (2), fate (1), first (5), forever* (11), forevermore* (1), full (5), full year (1), future* (1), holiday* (3), later* (2), length (1), life (12), life* (1), lifetime (2), lifetime* (1), live (1), long (2), long as i live (1), long* (11), midday* (1), now (5), older* (1), once (2), period (3), perpetually* (2), present (1), recently (1), reigns (1), ripe* (1), short-lived* (1), so long* (1), some time (1), survived* (2), time (45), time* (1), times* (2), today (172), today* (1), usual (1), very old* (1), when (10), when the days (1), whenever (1), while (3), whole (2), year (10), yearly (5), years (13), yesterday* (1).

http://biblehub.com/hebrew/3117.htm


20 posted on 06/28/2018 8:04:39 AM PDT by robroys woman (So you're not confused, I'm using my wife's account.)
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