Posted on 07/05/2018 2:07:18 PM PDT by ebb tide
You are NOT going to get an answer on that one.
Which is just a guess.
So, who was the last legitimate pope?
Not if I don’t but what the Roman church is selling. Only those that process the doctrines of the Roman Church as infallible are trapped by them
No one is subject to the pope unless they willingly put themslves into subjection to him themselves.
Any claim otherwise is a pure power grab, plain and simple.
Neither statement about Mary is accord with Scripture.
Holding those theological beliefs, as they are meant to be held (that is, it’s not Mary worship!), doesn’t cause mortal sin, so this is departing from the topic - but that’s ok because there’s nothing more to say on that topic that hasn’t been said 3 or 4 times here.
Those beliefs are not stated directly and explicitly in Scripture, but are alluded to there, and are backed up by tradition and reason, and dozens of learned men (not just the popes who declared them) (without pure 100% agreement of course) over centuries.
Your turn: Where is Sola Scriptura stated directly and explicitly in Scripture?
Those beliefs are not stated directly and explicitly in Scripture, but are alluded to there, and are backed up by tradition and reason, and dozens of learned men (not just the popes who declared them) (without pure 100% agreement of course) over centuries.
Roman Catholicism asserts all of its doctrines and beliefs are found in or will not contradict Scripture and none are without the unanimous consent of the Early Church Fathers.
I will provide from a Roman Catholic source which bills itself as "the most comprehensive resource on Catholic teaching, history, and information ever gathered in all of human history" evidence that the Immaculate Conception is not found anywhere in Scripture. Nor is there unanimous consent among the Early Church Fathers on this topic.
Evidence from Scripture:
No direct or categorical and stringent proof of the dogma can be brought forward from Scripture.
The sentence against the first parents was accompanied by the Earliest Gospel ( Proto-evangelium ), which put enmity between the serpent and the woman : "and I will put enmity between thee and the woman and her seed; she (he) shall crush thy head and thou shalt lie in wait for her (his) heel" ( Genesis 3:15 ). The translation "she" of the Vulgate is interpretative; it originated after the fourth century, and cannot be defended critically.
http://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=6056
Now, concerning the Roman Catholic claim that Revelation 12 supports Mary and the Immaculate Conception.
1A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars; 2and she was with child; and she cried out, being in labor and in pain to give birth. Rev 12:1-2 NASB
If the Roman Catholic is citing Revelation 12:1 as referring to Mary then they have to allow 12:2 as being Mary as well....unless somehow the subject of the passage changes mid-sentence.
Rev 12:2 contradicts the claim of Isaiah 66:7-8 of Mary being free from the pangs of labor....allowing for discussion the passage is about Mary to begin with.
This carries us back to Genesis 3:15 which the Roman Catholic claims to be about Mary as well.
15And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your seed and her seed; He shall bruise you on the head, And you shall bruise him on the heel.” Gen 3:15 NASB
It should be noted though for the reader of the thread that only the Douay Rheims renders the text to read as "she shall crush thy head". And as previously noted by the Catholic Encyclopedia Online, and ignored for some reason, "the translation "she" of the Vulgate is interpretative; it originated after the fourth century, and cannot be defended critically."
This carries us to Genesis 3:16 which explains the punishment upon the woman, and all subsequent women, that they will have pain in childbirth.
16To the woman He said, “I will greatly multiply Your pain in childbirth, In pain you will bring forth children; Yet your desire will be for your husband, And he will rule over you.” Genesis 3:16 NASB.
No exception to this punishment has been noted in Scripture.
No exception for being sinless for any created being has been noted in Scripture.
The only person Scripture notes as being sinless is Christ Jesus, the Son of the Living God. He is the only One.
ECFs who say Mary was not sinless:
brackets mine added for background
In regard to the sinlessness of Mary the older Fathers are very cautious: some of them even seem to have been in error on this matter.
[the reference to the older fathers is interesting as it indicates the belief of Mary's sinlessness was a later development]
Origen, although he ascribed to Mary high spiritual prerogatives, thought that, at the time of Christ's passion, the sword of disbelief pierced Mary's soul ; that she was struck by the poniard of doubt ; and that for her sins also Christ died ( Origen, "In Luc. hom. xvii").
In the same manner St. Basil [recognized as a Doctor in the RCC] writes in the fourth century: he sees in the sword, of which Simeon speaks, the doubt which pierced Mary's soul (Epistle 259).
St. Chrysostom [recognized as a Doctor in the RCC] accuses her of ambition, and of putting herself forward unduly when she sought to speak to Jesus at Capharnaum ( Matthew 12:46 ; Chrysostom, Hom. xliv; cf. also "In Matt.", hom. 4).
http://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=6056
Justin Martyr: Justin Martyr didn't think Mary was sinless. He refers to every person being a sinner, and he denies that a Jewish opponent he was debating, Trypho, can cite a single person who didn't need to be saved by Christ from sins he had committed. No Roman Catholic could issue such a challenge to Trypho:
"Now, we know that he did not go to the river because He stood in need of baptism, or of the descent of the Spirit like a dove; even as He submitted to be born and to be crucified, not because He needed such things, but because of the human race, which from Adam had fallen under the power of death and the guile of the serpent, and each one of which had committed personal transgression....For the whole human race will be found to be under a curse. For it is written in the law of Moses, 'Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things that are written in the book of the law to do them.' And no one has accurately done all, nor will you venture to deny this; but some more and some less than others have observed the ordinances enjoined. But if those who are under this law appear to be under a curse for not having observed all the requirements, how much more shall all the nations appear to be under a curse who practise idolatry, who seduce youths, and commit other crimes? If, then, the Father of all wished His Christ for the whole human family to take upon Him the curses of all, knowing that, after He had been crucified and was dead, He would raise Him up, why do you argue about Him, who submitted to suffer these things according to the Father's will, as if He were accursed, and do not rather bewail yourselves? For although His Father caused Him to suffer these things in behalf of the human family, yet you did not commit the deed as in obedience to the will of God." (Dialogue with Trypho, 88, 95)
http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/Ancients_on_Mary.html#Justin Martyr
Clement of Alexandria:
"Now, O you, my children, our Instructor is like His Father God, whose son He is, sinless, blameless, and with a soul devoid of passion; God in the form of man, stainless, the minister of His Father's will, the Word who is God, who is in the Father, who is at the Father's right hand, and with the form of God is God. He is to us a spotless image; to Him we are to try with all our might to assimilate our souls. He is wholly free from human passions; wherefore also He alone is judge, because He alone is sinless. As far, however, as we can, let us try to sin as little as possible. For nothing is so urgent in the first place as deliverance from passions and disorders, and then the checking of our liability to fall into sins that have become habitual. It is best, therefore, not to sin at all in any way, which we assert to be the prerogative of God alone...But He welcomes the repentance of the sinner-loving repentance-which follows sins.
For this Word of whom we speak alone is sinless. For to sin is natural and common to all." (The Instructor, 1:2, 3:12)
http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/Ancients_on_Mary.html#Justin Martyr
There is even a Roman Catholic writing by Alexander VII that admits Roman Catholics worship Mary!
Antigua is the piety of the faithful Christians to the Blessed Virgin Mary, who feel in their soul, that in the moment of its creation and infusion in the body, was preserved free from the stain of original sin, by a singular grace and privilege of God , in view of the merits of his son Jesus Christ, the Redeemer of mankind, and that, in this respect, worship and celebrated with solemn ceremony the feast of his conception; and already grown its number, and after that Sixto IV, of happy remembrance, publish their apostolic constitutions, refurbished and sent to observe by the Council of Trent, which recommends this cult, this increased.
Was again increased and spread this devotion or worship to the mother of God after erect, with the approval of the Roman popes, monasteries of religious orders and confraternities in honor of that name, and after granted indulgences in the same sense in such a way that, when the majority of universities and the most famous among them were folded to that doctrine, almost all Catholics supported it.
Apostolic Constitution "Sollicitudo Omnium Ecclesiarum", His Holiness Alexander VII, on the Immaculate conception of the Blessed Virgin the 8 December 1661
The history of how the Immaculate Conception came about is very interesting.
It was not "universally" approved by the Roman Catholic Church as some have suggested. Alphonsus de Liguori notes, in the Glories of Mary, that 228 writers expressed a view on the IC: 92 were opposed; 136 in favor...59.6%.
https://books.google.com/books?id=zdZuBAAAQBAJ&pg=PT229&lpg=PT229&dq=the+glories+of+mary+this+devotion+and+worship+to+the+mother+of+God+again+increased+and+was&source=bl&ots=O0BsOlkzZQ&sig=bWUZaTAJkx1JpBFlFF-IIFy_vR4&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjG4tST1bzYAhVIKiYKHTG-Ag0Q6AEIMzAC#v=onepage&q=the%20glories%20of%20mary%20this%20devotion%20and%20worship%20to%20the%20mother%20of%20God%20again%20increased%20and%20was&f=false
[note: there were no page numbers in this version on google books]
That is not a universal acceptance of the dogma.
What pushed it over the finish line?
Whilst these disputes went on, the great universities and almost all the great orders had become so many bulwarks for the defense of the dogma. In 1497 the University of Paris decreed that henceforward no one should be admitted a member of the university, who did not swear that he would do the utmost to defend and assert the Immaculate Conception of Mary. Toulouse followed the example; in Italy, Bologna and Naples; in the German Empire, Cologne, Maine, and Vienna; in Belgium, Louvain; in England before the Reformation. Oxford and Cambridge; in Spain Salamanca, Toledo, Seville, and Valencia; in Portugal, Coimbra and Evora; in America, Mexico and Lima. The Friars Minor confirmed in 1621 the election of the Immaculate Mother as patron of the order, and bound themselves by oath to teach the mystery in public and in private. The Dominicans, however, were under special obligation to follow the doctrines of St. Thomas, and the common conclusion was that St. Thomas was opposed to the Immaculate Conception. Therefore the Dominicans asserted that the doctrine was an error against faith (John of Montesono, 1373); although they adopted the feast, they termed it persistently "Sanctificatio B.M.V." not "Conceptio", until in 1622 Gregory XV abolished the term "sanctificatio". Paul V (1617) decreed that no one should dare to teach publicly that Mary was conceived in original sin, and Gregory XV (1622) imposed absolute silence (in scriptis et sermonibus etiam privatis) upon the adversaries of the doctrine until the Holy See should define the question. To put an end to all further cavilling, Alexander VII promulgated on 8 December 1661, the famous constitution "Sollicitudo omnium Ecclesiarum", defining the true sense of the word conceptio, and forbidding all further discussion against the common and pious sentiment of the Church. He declared that the immunity of Mary from original sin in the first moment of the creation of her soul and its infusion into the body was the object of the feast (Densinger, 1100).http://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=6056
Neither Paul, Luke, John, Matthew, Mark, or Peter ever wrote an exception for Mary. The New Testament is clear...all have sinned. There has only been one person who has lived a sinless life: Christ Jesus.
This is but one reason why Christianity rejects Roman Catholic Tradition as being on par with Scripture.
You mean aside from 2 Timothy 3:14-17?
14You, however, continue in the things you have learned and become convinced of, knowing from whom you have learned them, 15and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; 17so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.
You will note the appeal to the written word in both the Old and New Testaments.
Word search on “it is written” from Biblegateway.com using NASB translation.
Joshua 8:31 just as Moses the servant of the Lord had commanded the sons of Israel, as it is written in the book of the law of Moses, an altar of uncut stones on which no man had wielded an iron tool; and they offered burnt offerings on it to the Lord, and sacrificed peace offerings.
2 Samuel 1:18 and he told them to teach the sons of Judah the song of the bow; behold, it is written in the book of Jashar.
2 Kings 23:21 [ Passover Reinstituted ] Then the king commanded all the people saying, “Celebrate the Passover to the Lord your God as it is written in this book of the covenant.”
2 Chronicles 23:18 Moreover, Jehoiada placed the offices of the house of the Lord under the authority of the Levitical priests, whom David had assigned over the house of the Lord, to offer the burnt offerings of the Lord, as it is written in the law of Moses—with rejoicing and singing according to the order of David.
2 Chronicles 25:4 However, he did not put their children to death, but did as it is written in the law in the book of Moses, which the Lord commanded, saying, “Fathers shall not be put to death for sons, nor sons be put to death for fathers, but each shall be put to death for his own sin.”
2 Chronicles 31:3 [ Reforms Continued ] He also appointed the king’s portion of his goods for the burnt offerings, namely, for the morning and evening burnt offerings, and the burnt offerings for the sabbaths and for the new moons and for the fixed festivals, as it is written in the law of the Lord.
2 Chronicles 35:12 Then they removed the burnt offerings that they might give them to the sections of the fathers’ households of the lay people to present to the Lord, as it is written in the book of Moses. They did this also with the bulls.
Ezra 3:2 Then Jeshua the son of Jozadak and his brothers the priests, and Zerubbabel the son of Shealtiel and his brothers arose and built the altar of the God of Israel to offer burnt offerings on it, as it is written in the law of Moses, the man of God.
Ezra 3:4 They celebrated the Feast of Booths, as it is written, and offered the fixed number of burnt offerings daily, according to the ordinance, as each day required;
Ezra 6:18 Then they appointed the priests to their divisions and the Levites in their orders for the service of God in Jerusalem, as it is written in the book of Moses.
Nehemiah 8:15 So they proclaimed and circulated a proclamation in all their cities and in Jerusalem, saying, “Go out to the hills, and bring olive branches and wild olive branches, myrtle branches, palm branches and branches of other leafy trees, to make booths, as it is written.”
Nehemiah 10:34 Likewise we cast lots for the supply of wood among the priests, the Levites and the people so that they might bring it to the house of our God, according to our fathers’ households, at fixed times annually, to burn on the altar of the Lord our God, as it is written in the law;
Nehemiah 10:36 and bring to the house of our God the firstborn of our sons and of our cattle, and the firstborn of our herds and our flocks as it is written in the law, for the priests who are ministering in the house of our God.
Psalm 40:7 Then I said, “Behold, I come; In the scroll of the book it is written of me.
Isaiah 65:6 “Behold, it is written before Me, I will not keep silent, but I will repay; I will even repay into their bosom,
Daniel 9:13 As it is written in the law of Moses, all this calamity has come on us; yet we have not sought the favor of the Lord our God by turning from our iniquity and giving attention to Your truth.
Matthew 4:4 But He answered and said, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God.’”
Matthew 4:6 and *said to Him, “If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down; for it is written, ‘He will command His angels concerning You’; and ‘On their hands they will bear You up, So that You will not strike Your foot against a stone.’”
Matthew 4:7 Jesus said to him, “On the other hand, it is written, ‘You shall not put the Lord your God to the test.’”
Matthew 4:10 Then Jesus *said to him, “Go, Satan! For it is written, ‘You shall worship the Lord your God, and serve Him only.’”
Matthew 11:10 This is the one about whom it is written, ‘Behold, I send My messenger ahead of You, Who will prepare Your way before You.’
Matthew 21:13 And He *said to them, “It is written, ‘My house shall be called a house of prayer’; but you are making it a robbers’ den.”
Matthew 26:24 The Son of Man is to go, just as it is written of Him; but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been good for that man if he had not been born.”
Matthew 26:31 Then Jesus *said to them, “You will all fall away because of Me this night, for it is written, ‘I will strike down the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock shall be scattered.’
Mark 1:2 As it is written in Isaiah the prophet: “Behold, I send My messenger ahead of You, Who will prepare Your way;
Mark 7:6 And He said to them, “Rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: ‘This people honors Me with their lips, But their heart is far away from Me.
Mark 9:13 But I say to you that Elijah has indeed come, and they did to him whatever they wished, just as it is written of him.”
Mark 14:21 For the Son of Man is to go just as it is written of Him; but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been good for that man if he had not been born.”
Mark 14:27 And Jesus *said to them, “You will all fall away, because it is written, ‘I will strike down the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered.’
Luke 2:23 (as it is written in the Law of the Lord, “Every firstborn male that opens the womb shall be called holy to the Lord”),
Luke 3:4 as it is written in the book of the words of Isaiah the prophet, “The voice of one crying in the wilderness, ‘Make ready the way of the Lord, Make His paths straight.
Luke 4:4 And Jesus answered him, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live on bread alone.’”
Luke 4:8 Jesus answered him, “It is written, ‘You shall worship the Lord your God and serve Him only.’”
Luke 4:10 for it is written, ‘He will command His angels concerning You to guard You,’
Luke 7:27 This is the one about whom it is written, ‘Behold, I send My messenger ahead of You, Who will prepare Your way before You.’
Luke 19:46 saying to them, “It is written, ‘And My house shall be a house of prayer,’ but you have made it a robbers’ den.”
Luke 24:46 and He said to them, “Thus it is written, that the Christ would suffer and rise again from the dead the third day,
John 6:31 Our fathers ate the manna in the wilderness; as it is written, ‘He gave them bread out of heaven to eat.’”
John 6:45 It is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught of God.’ Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father, comes to Me.
John 12:14 Jesus, finding a young donkey, sat on it; as it is written,
Acts 1:20 “For it is written in the book of Psalms, ‘Let his homestead be made desolate, And let no one dwell in it’; and, ‘Let another man take his office.’
Acts 7:42 But God turned away and delivered them up to serve the host of heaven; as it is written in the book of the prophets, ‘It was not to Me that you offered victims and sacrifices forty years in the wilderness, was it, O house of Israel?
Acts 15:15 With this the words of the Prophets agree, just as it is written,
Acts 23:5 And Paul said, “I was not aware, brethren, that he was high priest; for it is written, ‘You shall not speak evil of a ruler of your people.’”
Romans 1:17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, “But the righteous man shall live by faith.”
Romans 2:24 For “the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you,” just as it is written.
Romans 3:4 May it never be! Rather, let God be found true, though every man be found a liar, as it is written, “That You may be justified in Your words, And prevail when You are judged.”
Romans 3:10 as it is written, “There is none righteous, not even one;
Romans 4:17 (as it is written, “A father of many nations have I made you”) in the presence of Him whom he believed, even God, who gives life to the dead and calls into being that which does not exist.
Romans 8:36 Just as it is written, “For Your sake we are being put to death all day long; We were considered as sheep to be slaughtered.”
Romans 9:13 Just as it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”
Romans 9:33 just as it is written, “Behold, I lay in Zion a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense, And he who believes in Him will not be disappointed.”
Romans 10:15 How will they preach unless they are sent? Just as it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news of good things!”
Romans 11:8 just as it is written, “God gave them a spirit of stupor, Eyes to see not and ears to hear not, Down to this very day.”
Romans 11:26 and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written, “The Deliverer will come from Zion, He will remove ungodliness from Jacob.”
Romans 12:19 Never take your own revenge, beloved, but leave room for the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord.
Romans 14:11 For it is written, “As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to Me, And every tongue shall give praise to God.”
Romans 15:3 For even Christ did not please Himself; but as it is written, “The reproaches of those who reproached You fell on Me.”
Romans 15:9 and for the Gentiles to glorify God for His mercy; as it is written, “Therefore I will give praise to You among the Gentiles, And I will sing to Your name.”
Romans 15:21 but as it is written, “They who had no news of Him shall see, And they who have not heard shall understand.”
1 Corinthians 1:19 For it is written, “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, And the cleverness of the clever I will set aside.”
1 Corinthians 1:31 so that, just as it is written, “Let him who boasts, boast in the Lord.”
1 Corinthians 2:9 but just as it is written, “Things which eye has not seen and ear has not heard, And which have not entered the heart of man, All that God has prepared for those who love Him.”
1 Corinthians 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness before God. For it is written, “He is the one who catches the wise in their craftiness”;
1 Corinthians 9:9 For it is written in the Law of Moses, “You shall not muzzle the ox while he is threshing.” God is not concerned about oxen, is He?
1 Corinthians 10:7 Do not be idolaters, as some of them were; as it is written, “The people sat down to eat and drink, and stood up to play.”
1 Corinthians 14:21 In the Law it is written, “By men of strange tongues and by the lips of strangers I will speak to this people, and even so they will not listen to Me,” says the Lord.
1 Corinthians 15:45 So also it is written, “The first man, Adam, became a living soul.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
2 Corinthians 8:15 as it is written, “He who gathered much did not have too much, and he who gathered little had no lack.”
2 Corinthians 9:9 as it is written, “He scattered abroad, he gave to the poor, His righteousness endures forever.”
Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the Law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not abide by all things written in the book of the law, to perform them.”
Galatians 3:13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”—
Galatians 4:22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the bondwoman and one by the free woman.
Galatians 4:27 For it is written, “Rejoice, barren woman who does not bear; Break forth and shout, you who are not in labor; For more numerous are the children of the desolate Than of the one who has a husband.”
Hebrews 10:7 “Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come (In the scroll of the book it is written of Me) To do Your will, O God.’”
1 Peter 1:16 because it is written, “You shall be holy, for I am holy.”
Word search on “write” from Biblegateway.com using NASB translation.
Exodus 17:14 Then the Lord said to Moses, “Write this in a book as a memorial and recite it to Joshua, that I will utterly blot out the memory of Amalek from under heaven.”
Exodus 34:1 [ The Two Tablets Replaced ] Now the Lord said to Moses, “Cut out for yourself two stone tablets like the former ones, and I will write on the tablets the words that were on the former tablets which you shattered.
Exodus 34:27 Then the Lord said to Moses, “Write down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel.”
Numbers 5:23 ‘The priest shall then write these curses on a scroll, and he shall wash them off into the water of bitterness.
Numbers 17:2 “Speak to the sons of Israel, and get from them a rod for each father’s household: twelve rods, from all their leaders according to their fathers’ households. You shall write each name on his rod,
Numbers 17:3 and write Aaron’s name on the rod of Levi; for there is one rod for the head of each of their fathers’ households.
Deuteronomy 6:9 You shall write them on the doorposts of your house and on your gates.
Deuteronomy 10:2 I will write on the tablets the words that were on the former tablets which you shattered, and you shall put them in the ark.’
Deuteronomy 11:20 You shall write them on the doorposts of your house and on your gates,
Deuteronomy 17:18 “Now it shall come about when he sits on the throne of his kingdom, he shall write for himself a copy of this law on a scroll in the presence of the Levitical priests.
Deuteronomy 24:1 [ Law of Divorce ] “When a man takes a wife and marries her, and it happens that she finds no favor in his eyes because he has found some indecency in her, and he writes her a certificate of divorce and puts it in her hand and sends her out from his house,
Deuteronomy 24:3 and if the latter husband turns against her and writes her a certificate of divorce and puts it in her hand and sends her out of his house, or if the latter husband dies who took her to be his wife,
Deuteronomy 27:3 and write on them all the words of this law, when you cross over, so that you may enter the land which the Lord your God gives you, a land flowing with milk and honey, as the Lord, the God of your fathers, promised you.
Deuteronomy 27:8 You shall write on the stones all the words of this law very distinctly.”
Deuteronomy 31:19 “Now therefore, write this song for yourselves, and teach it to the sons of Israel; put it on their lips, so that this song may be a witness for Me against the sons of Israel.
Joshua 18:4 Provide for yourselves three men from each tribe that I may send them, and that they may arise and walk through the land and write a description of it according to their inheritance; then they shall return to me.
Ezra 5:6 [ Adversaries Write to Darius ] This is the copy of the letter which Tattenai, the governor of the province beyond the River, and Shethar-bozenai and his colleagues the officials, who were beyond the River, sent to Darius the king.
Ezra 5:10 We also asked them their names so as to inform you, and that we might write down the names of the men who were at their head.
Esther 8:8 [ The King’s Decree Avenges the Jews ] Now you write to the Jews as you see fit, in the king’s name, and seal it with the king’s signet ring; for a decree which is written in the name of the king and sealed with the king’s signet ring may not be revoked.”
Job 13:26 “For You write bitter things against me And make me to inherit the iniquities of my youth.
Psalm 45:1 [ A Song Celebrating the King’s Marriage. ] [ For the choir director; according to the Shoshannim. A Maskil of the sons of Korah. A Song of Love. ] My heart overflows with a good theme; I address my verses to the King; My tongue is the pen of a ready writer.
Proverbs 3:3 Do not let kindness and truth leave you; Bind them around your neck, Write them on the tablet of your heart.
Proverbs 7:3 Bind them on your fingers; Write them on the tablet of your heart.
Ecclesiastes 12:10 The Preacher sought to find delightful words and to write words of truth correctly.
Isaiah 8:1 [ Damascus and Samaria Fall ] Then the Lord said to me, “Take for yourself a large tablet and write on it in ordinary letters: Swift is the booty, speedy is the prey.
Isaiah 10:19 And the rest of the trees of his forest will be so small in number That a child could write them down.
Isaiah 30:8 Now go, write it on a tablet before them And inscribe it on a scroll, That it may serve in the time to come As a witness forever.
Isaiah 44:5 “This one will say, ‘I am the Lord’s’; And that one will call on the name of Jacob; And another will write on his hand, ‘Belonging to the Lord,’ And will name Israel’s name with honor.
Jeremiah 22:30 “Thus says the Lord, ‘Write this man down childless, A man who will not prosper in his days; For no man of his descendants will prosper Sitting on the throne of David Or ruling again in Judah.’”
Jeremiah 30:2 “Thus says the Lord, the God of Israel, ‘Write all the words which I have spoken to you in a book.
Jeremiah 31:33 “But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” declares the Lord, “I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
Jeremiah 36:2 “Take a scroll and write on it all the words which I have spoken to you concerning Israel and concerning Judah, and concerning all the nations, from the day I first spoke to you, from the days of Josiah, even to this day.
Jeremiah 36:17 And they asked Baruch, saying, “Tell us, please, how did you write all these words? Was it at his dictation?”
Jeremiah 36:28 “Take again another scroll and write on it all the former words that were on the first scroll which Jehoiakim the king of Judah burned.
Ezekiel 24:2 “Son of man, write the name of the day, this very day. The king of Babylon has laid siege to Jerusalem this very day.
Ezekiel 37:16 “And you, son of man, take for yourself one stick and write on it, ‘For Judah and for the sons of Israel, his companions’; then take another stick and write on it, ‘For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim and all the house of Israel, his companions.’
Ezekiel 37:20 The sticks on which you write will be in your hand before their eyes.
Ezekiel 43:11 If they are ashamed of all that they have done, make known to them the design of the house, its structure, its exits, its entrances, all its designs, all its statutes, and all its laws. And write it in their sight, so that they may observe its whole design and all its statutes and do them.
Mark 10:4 They said, “Moses permitted a man to write a certificate of divorce and send her away.”
Luke 1:3 it seemed fitting for me as well, having investigated everything carefully from the beginning, to write it out for you in consecutive order, most excellent Theophilus;
Luke 16:6 And he said, ‘A hundred measures of oil.’ And he said to him, ‘Take your bill, and sit down quickly and write fifty.’
Luke 16:7 Then he said to another, ‘And how much do you owe?’ And he said, ‘A hundred measures of wheat.’ He *said to him, ‘Take your bill, and write eighty.’
John 19:21 So the chief priests of the Jews were saying to Pilate, “Do not write, ‘The King of the Jews’; but that He said, ‘I am King of the Jews.’”
Acts 15:20 but that we write to them that they abstain from things contaminated by idols and from fornication and from what is strangled and from blood.
Acts 25:26 Yet I have nothing definite about him to write to my lord. Therefore I have brought him before you all and especially before you, King Agrippa, so that after the investigation has taken place, I may have something to write.
Romans 10:5 For Moses writes that the man who practices the righteousness which is based on law shall live by that righteousness.
Romans 16:22 I, Tertius, who write this letter, greet you in the Lord.
1 Corinthians 4:14 I do not write these things to shame you, but to admonish you as my beloved children.
1 Corinthians 14:37 If anyone thinks he is a prophet or spiritual, let him recognize that the things which I write to you are the Lord’s commandment.
2 Corinthians 1:13 For we write nothing else to you than what you read and understand, and I hope you will understand until the end;
2 Corinthians 9:1 [ God Gives Most ] For it is superfluous for me to write to you about this ministry to the saints;
Philippians 3:1 [ The Goal of Life ] Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. To write the same things again is no trouble to me, and it is a safeguard for you.
Colossians 4:18 I, Paul, write this greeting with my own hand. Remember my imprisonment. Grace be with you.
1 Thessalonians 4:9 Now as to the love of the brethren, you have no need for anyone to write to you, for you yourselves are taught by God to love one another;
2 Thessalonians 3:17 I, Paul, write this greeting with my own hand, and this is a distinguishing mark in every letter; this is the way I write.
1 Timothy 3:15 but in case I am delayed, I write so that you will know how one ought to conduct himself in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and support of the truth.
Philemon 1:21 Having confidence in your obedience, I write to you, since I know that you will do even more than what I say.
Hebrews 8:10 “For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel After those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws into their minds, And I will write them on their hearts. And I will be their God, And they shall be My people.
Hebrews 10:16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them After those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws upon their heart, And on their mind I will write them,” He then says,
1 John 1:4 These things we write, so that our joy may be made complete.
2 John 1:12 Though I have many things to write to you, I do not want to do so with paper and ink; but I hope to come to you and speak face to face, so that your joy may be made full.
3 John 1:13 I had many things to write to you, but I am not willing to write them to you with pen and ink;
Jude 1:3 Beloved, while I was making every effort to write you about our common salvation, I felt the necessity to write to you appealing that you contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all handed down to the saints.
Revelation 1:11 saying, “Write in a book what you see, and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea.”
Revelation 1:19 Therefore write the things which you have seen, and the things which are, and the things which will take place after these things.
Revelation 2:1 [ Message to Ephesus ] The One who holds the seven stars in His right hand, the One who walks among the seven golden lampstands, says this:
Revelation 2:8 [ Message to Smyrna ] “And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write: The first and the last, who was dead, and has come to life, says this:
Revelation 2:12 [ Message to Pergamum ] “And to the angel of the church in Pergamum write: The One who has the sharp two-edged sword says this:
Revelation 2:18 [ Message to Thyatira ] “And to the angel of the church in Thyatira write: The Son of God, who has eyes like a flame of fire, and His feet are like burnished bronze, says this:
Revelation 3:1 [ Message to Sardis ] He who has the seven Spirits of God and the seven stars, says this: ‘I know your deeds, that you have a name that you are alive, but you are dead.
Revelation 3:7 [ Message to Philadelphia ] “And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write: He who is holy, who is true, who has the key of David, who opens and no one will shut, and who shuts and no one opens, says this:
Revelation 3:12 He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he will not go out from it anymore; and I will write on him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God, and My new name.
Revelation 3:14 [ Message to Laodicea ] “To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: The Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God, says this:
Revelation 10:4 When the seven peals of thunder had spoken, I was about to write; and I heard a voice from heaven saying, “Seal up the things which the seven peals of thunder have spoken and do not write them.”
Revelation 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven, saying, “Write, ‘Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on!’” “Yes,” says the Spirit, “so that they may rest from their labors, for their deeds follow with them.”
Revelation 19:9 Then he *said to me, “Write, ‘Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb.’” And he *said to me, “These are true words of God.”
Revelation 21:5 And He who sits on the throne said, “Behold, I am making all things new.” And He *said, “Write, for these words are faithful and true.”
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Exodus 24:7 Then he took the book of the covenant and read it in the hearing of the people; and they said, “All that the Lord has spoken we will do, and we will be obedient!”
Deuteronomy 17:19 It shall be with him and he shall read it all the days of his life, that he may learn to fear the Lord his God, by carefully observing all the words of this law and these statutes,
Deuteronomy 31:11 when all Israel comes to appear before the Lord your God at the place which He will choose, you shall read this law in front of all Israel in their hearing.
Joshua 8:34 Then afterward he read all the words of the law, the blessing and the curse, according to all that is written in the book of the law.
Joshua 8:35 There was not a word of all that Moses had commanded which Joshua did not read before all the assembly of Israel with the women and the little ones and the strangers who were living among them.
2 Kings 5:7 When the king of Israel read the letter, he tore his clothes and said, “Am I God, to kill and to make alive, that this man is sending word to me to cure a man of his leprosy? But consider now, and see how he is seeking a quarrel against me.”
2 Kings 19:14 [ Hezekiah’s Prayer ] Then Hezekiah took the letter from the hand of the messengers and read it, and he went up to the house of the Lord and spread it out before the Lord.
2 Kings 22:8 [ The Lost Book ] Then Hilkiah the high priest said to Shaphan the scribe, “I have found the book of the law in the house of the Lord.” And Hilkiah gave the book to Shaphan who read it.
2 Kings 22:10 Moreover, Shaphan the scribe told the king saying, “Hilkiah the priest has given me a book.” And Shaphan read it in the presence of the king.
2 Kings 22:16 thus says the Lord, “Behold, I bring evil on this place and on its inhabitants, even all the words of the book which the king of Judah has read .
2 Kings 23:2 The king went up to the house of the Lord and all the men of Judah and all the inhabitants of Jerusalem with him, and the priests and the prophets and all the people, both small and great; and he read in their hearing all the words of the book of the covenant which was found in the house of the Lord.
2 Chronicles 34:18 Moreover, Shaphan the scribe told the king saying, “Hilkiah the priest gave me a book.” And Shaphan read from it in the presence of the king.
2 Chronicles 34:24 thus says the Lord, “Behold, I am bringing evil on this place and on its inhabitants, even all the curses written in the book which they have read in the presence of the king of Judah.
2 Chronicles 34:30 The king went up to the house of the Lord and all the men of Judah, the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the priests, the Levites and all the people, from the greatest to the least; and he read in their hearing all the words of the book of the covenant which was found in the house of the Lord.
Ezra 4:18 the document which you sent to us has been translated and read before me.
Ezra 4:23 Then as soon as the copy of King Artaxerxes’ document was read before Rehum and Shimshai the scribe and their colleagues, they went in haste to Jerusalem to the Jews and stopped them by force of arms.
Nehemiah 8:3 He read from it before the square which was in front of the Water Gate from early morning until midday, in the presence of men and women, those who could understand; and all the people were attentive to the book of the law.
Nehemiah 8:8 They read from the book, from the law of God, translating to give the sense so that they understood the read ing.
Nehemiah 8:18 He read from the book of the law of God daily, from the first day to the last day. And they celebrated the feast seven days, and on the eighth day there was a solemn assembly according to the ordinance.
Nehemiah 9:3 While they stood in their place, they read from the book of the law of the Lord their God for a fourth of the day; and for another fourth they confessed and worshiped the Lord their God.
Nehemiah 13:1 [ Foreigners Excluded ] On that day they read aloud from the book of Moses in the hearing of the people; and there was found written in it that no Ammonite or Moabite should ever enter the assembly of God,
Esther 6:1 [ The King Plans to Honor Mordecai ] During that night the king could not sleep so he gave an order to bring the book of records, the chronicles, and they were read before the king.
Isaiah 29:11 The entire vision will be to you like the words of a sealed book, which when they give it to the one who is literate, saying, “Please read this,” he will say, “I cannot, for it is sealed.”
Isaiah 29:12 Then the book will be given to the one who is illiterate, saying, “Please read this.” And he will say, “I cannot read .”
Isaiah 34:16 Seek from the book of the Lord, and read : Not one of these will be missing; None will lack its mate. For His mouth has commanded, And His Spirit has gathered them.
Isaiah 37:14 [ Hezekiah’s Prayer in the Temple ] Then Hezekiah took the letter from the hand of the messengers and read it, and he went up to the house of the Lord and spread it out before the Lord.
Jeremiah 29:29 Zephaniah the priest read this letter to Jeremiah the prophet.
Jeremiah 36:1 [ Jeremiah’s Scroll read in the Temple ] In the fourth year of Jehoiakim the son of Josiah, king of Judah, this word came to Jeremiah from the Lord, saying,
Jeremiah 36:6 So you go and read from the scroll which you have written at my dictation the words of the Lord to the people in the Lord’s house on a fast day. And also you shall read them to all the people of Judah who come from their cities.
Jeremiah 36:10 Then Baruch read from the book the words of Jeremiah in the house of the Lord in the chamber of Gemariah the son of Shaphan the scribe, in the upper court, at the entry of the New Gate of the Lord’s house, to all the people.
Jeremiah 36:13 Micaiah declared to them all the words that he had heard when Baruch read from the book to the people.
Jeremiah 36:14 Then all the officials sent Jehudi the son of Nethaniah, the son of Shelemiah, the son of Cushi, to Baruch, saying, “Take in your hand the scroll from which you have read to the people and come.” So Baruch the son of Neriah took the scroll in his hand and went to them.
Jeremiah 36:15 They said to him, “Sit down, please, and read it to us.” So Baruch read it to them.
Jeremiah 36:21 Then the king sent Jehudi to get the scroll, and he took it out of the chamber of Elishama the scribe. And Jehudi read it to the king as well as to all the officials who stood beside the king.
Jeremiah 36:23 When Jehudi had read three or four columns, the king cut it with a scribe’s knife and threw it into the fire that was in the brazier, until all the scroll was consumed in the fire that was in the brazier.
Jeremiah 51:61 Then Jeremiah said to Seraiah, “As soon as you come to Babylon, then see that you read all these words aloud,
Matthew 12:3 But He said to them, “Have you not read what David did when he became hungry, he and his companions,
Matthew 12:5 Or have you not read in the Law, that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple break the Sabbath and are innocent?
Matthew 19:4 And He answered and said, “Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning made them male and female,
Matthew 21:16 and said to Him, “Do You hear what these children are saying?” And Jesus *said to them, “Yes; have you never read , ‘Out of the mouth of infants and nursing babies You have prepared praise for Yourself’?”
Matthew 21:42 Jesus *said to them, “Did you never read in the Scriptures, ‘The stone which the builders rejected, This became the chief corner stone; This came about from the Lord, And it is marvelous in our eyes’?
Matthew 22:31 But regarding the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what was spoken to you by God:
Mark 2:25 And He *said to them, “Have you never read what David did when he was in need and he and his companions became hungry;
Mark 12:10 Have you not even read this Scripture: ‘The stone which the builders rejected, This became the chief corner stone;
Mark 12:26 But regarding the fact that the dead rise again, have you not read in the book of Moses, in the passage about the burning bush, how God spoke to him, saying, ‘I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’?
Luke 4:16 And He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up; and as was His custom, He entered the synagogue on the Sabbath, and stood up to read .
Luke 6:3 And Jesus answering them said, “Have you not even read what David did when he was hungry, he and those who were with him,
Luke 10:26 And He said to him, “What is written in the Law? How does it read to you?”
Acts 13:27 For those who live in Jerusalem, and their rulers, recognizing neither Him nor the utterances of the prophets which are read every Sabbath, fulfilled these by condemning Him.
Acts 15:21 For Moses from ancient generations has in every city those who preach him, since he is read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”
Acts 15:31 When they had read it, they rejoiced because of its encouragement.
Acts 23:34 When he had read it, he asked from what province he was, and when he learned that he was from Cilicia,
2 Corinthians 1:13 For we write nothing else to you than what you read and understand, and I hope you will understand until the end;
2 Corinthians 3:2 You are our letter, written in our hearts, known and read by all men;
2 Corinthians 3:15 But to this day whenever Moses is read , a veil lies over their heart;
Ephesians 3:4 By referring to this, when you read you can understand my insight into the mystery of Christ,
Colossians 4:16 When this letter is read among you, have it also read in the church of the Laodiceans; and you, for your part read my letter that is coming from Laodicea.
1 Thessalonians 5:27 I adjure you by the Lord to have this letter read to all the brethren.
Sola means “only”. Which of these say we should ONLY use Scripture? To include how Scripture is used in translating to English, deciding which writings to include, interpreting parables and metaphors and hidden meanings, etc. Thanks!
Question: "What is sola scriptura?"
Answer: The phrase sola scriptura is from the Latin: sola having the idea of “alone,” “ground,” “base,” and the word scriptura meaning “writings”—referring to the Scriptures. Sola scriptura means that Scripture alone is authoritative for the faith and practice of the Christian. The Bible is complete, authoritative, and true. “All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness” (2 Timothy 3:16).
Sola scriptura was the rallying cry of the Protestant Reformation. For centuries the Roman Catholic Church had made its traditions superior in authority to the Bible. This resulted in many practices that were in fact contradictory to the Bible. Some examples are prayer to saints and/or Mary, the immaculate conception, transubstantiation, infant baptism, indulgences, and papal authority. Martin Luther, the founder of the Lutheran Church and father of the Protestant Reformation, was publicly rebuking the Catholic Church for its unbiblical teachings. The Catholic Church threatened Martin Luther with excommunication (and death) if he did not recant. Martin Luther's reply was, “Unless therefore I am convinced by the testimony of Scripture, or by the clearest reasoning, unless I am persuaded by means of the passages I have quoted, and unless they thus render my conscience bound by the Word of God, I cannot and will not retract, for it is unsafe for a Christian to speak against his conscience. Here I stand, I can do no other; may God help me! Amen!”
The primary Catholic argument against sola scriptura is that the Bible does not explicitly teach sola scriptura. Catholics argue that the Bible nowhere states that it is the only authoritative guide for faith and practice. While this is true, they fail to recognize a crucially important issue. We know that the Bible is the Word of God. The Bible declares itself to be God-breathed, inerrant, and authoritative. We also know that God does not change His mind or contradict Himself. So, while the Bible itself may not explicitly argue for sola scriptura, it most definitely does not allow for traditions that contradict its message. Sola scriptura is not as much of an argument against tradition as it is an argument against unbiblical, extra-biblical and/or anti-biblical doctrines. The only way to know for sure what God expects of us is to stay true to what we know He has revealed—the Bible. We can know, beyond the shadow of any doubt, that Scripture is true, authoritative, and reliable. The same cannot be said of tradition.
The Word of God is the only authority for the Christian faith. Traditions are valid only when they are based on Scripture and are in full agreement with Scripture. Traditions that contradict the Bible are not of God and are not a valid aspect of the Christian faith. Sola scriptura is the only way to avoid subjectivity and keep personal opinion from taking priority over the teachings of the Bible. The essence of sola scriptura is basing your spiritual life on the Bible alone and rejecting any tradition or teaching that is not in full agreement with the Bible. Second Timothy 2:15 declares, “Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.”
Sola scriptura does not nullify the concept of church traditions. Rather, sola scriptura gives us a solid foundation on which to base church traditions. There are many practices, in both Catholic and Protestant churches, that are the result of traditions, not the explicit teaching of Scripture. It is good, and even necessary, for the church to have traditions. Traditions play an important role in clarifying and organizing Christian practice. At the same time, in order for these traditions to be valid, they must not be in disagreement with God’s Word. They must be based on the solid foundation of the teaching of Scripture. The problem with the Roman Catholic Church, and many other churches, is that they base traditions on traditions which are based on traditions which are based on traditions, often with the initial tradition not being in full harmony with the Scriptures. That is why Christians must always go back to sola scriptura, the authoritative Word of God, as the only solid basis for faith and practice.
On a practical matter, a frequent objection to the concept of sola scriptura is the fact that the canon of the Bible was not officially agreed upon for at least 250 years after the church was founded. Further, the Scriptures were not available to the masses for over 1500 years after the church was founded. How, then, were early Christians to use sola scriptura, when they did not even have the full Scriptures? And how were Christians who lived before the invention of the printing press supposed to base their faith and practice on Scripture alone if there was no way for them to have a complete copy of the Scriptures? This issue is further compounded by the very high rates of illiteracy throughout history. How does the concept of sola scriptura handle these issues?
The problem with this argument is that it essentially says that Scripture’s authority is based on its availability. This is not the case. Scripture’s authority is universal; because it is God’s Word, it is His authority. The fact that Scripture was not readily available, or that people could not read it, does not change the fact that Scripture is God’s Word. Further, rather than this being an argument against sola scriptura, it is actually an argument for what the church should have done, instead of what it did. The early church should have made producing copies of the Scriptures a high priority. While it was unrealistic for every Christian to possess a complete copy of the Bible, it was possible that every church could have some, most, or all of the Scriptures available to it. Early church leaders should have made studying the Scriptures their highest priority so they could accurately teach it. Even if the Scriptures could not be made available to the masses, at least church leaders could be well-trained in the Word of God. Instead of building traditions upon traditions and passing them on from generation to generation, the church should have copied the Scriptures and taught the Scriptures (2 Timothy 4:2).
Again, traditions are not the problem. Unbiblical traditions are the problem. The availability of the Scriptures throughout the centuries is not the determining factor. The Scriptures themselves are the determining factor. We now have the Scriptures readily available to us. Through the careful study of God’s Word, it is clear that many church traditions which have developed over the centuries are in fact contradictory to the Word of God. This is where sola scriptura applies. Traditions that are based on, and in agreement with, God’s Word can be maintained. Traditions that are not based on, and/or disagree with, God’s Word must be rejected. Sola scriptura points us back to what God has revealed to us in His Word. Sola scriptura ultimately points us back to the God who always speaks the truth, never contradicts Himself, and always proves Himself to be dependable.
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As I posted in a prior answer to you, there is NO evidence in Scripture of the dogma and no clear position from the ECFs.
Now compare to 2 Tim 3:16-17 where we do have Paul, moved by the Spirit, to write that All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; 17so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.
The Christian can clearly point to this verse for the appeal to Scripture.
The Roman Catholic cannot point to a single verse in Scripture to show the Immaculate Conception as witnessed by the Catholic Encyclopedia online.
Essentially 2 Timothy 3:16-17.
My computer is down right now and when mr. mm gets to it, I’ll be happy to post the verse so you don’t have to waste time looking it up yourself.
The reason Scripture is the sole rule of faith is by it’s very intrinsic nature as the word of God.
Since God cannot lie, it is true and infallible and by it’s very nature authoritative because GOD is authoritative.
I also see that ealgeone has provided a sufficient number of Scripture verses.
So tell me.......
What did God leave out of Scripture that we needed to know so badly that the Catholic church had to supplement it?
Your replies were very thorough, thank you. In general, IMHO, they are in accord with Catholic teaching, like it or not.
But then there are the examples you state; some we even have debated on FR before; not much more to say on them.
So, please don’t feel the need to examine each of them here.
Some have been misunderstood by Protestants, and badly mis-explained by some Catholics, over centuries.
To me, personally, the more important of those tenets to the life of a Christian and his/her salvation, the more directly Biblical they are and the better link they have to early tradition.
And holding any of all those (correctly understood) examples does not cause mortal sin - goes back to the original point.
I defer to you all for the last word...
In the NT for example, roughly 1 in 28 verses points to the OT or has a clear reference to the written word given by God to man.
That is quite a testimony from the NT as to how Scripture was viewed.
But to conclude this otherwise pleasant discussion, 2 Timothy 3:15-17 is our guide on this.
It is the verse that tells us that Scripture, and only Scripture is inspired by God, is sufficient teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; 17so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.
Roman Catholic "Tradition" cannot make that claim.
By keeping their faith in God and realizing that a mere man is not the voice of God.
I believe he is pushing for schism. What he believes he will get from that dumbfounds me. I believe that a majority of priests/bishops/cardinals and the pope don’t even believe. The apostasy in Christ’s church is appallingly high.
The Lord is not pleased this I know for sure. I am searching for a TLM church in FW where we will be moving soon done with NO
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