Skip to comments.How Should Catholics Respond to the Pope’s ‘Paradigm Shift’? ("Resistance")(Catholic Caucus)
Posted on 07/05/2018 6:34:30 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
In view of the paradigm shift taking place during this pontificate, one that breaks with the Churchs teaching and tradition, how should a Catholic respond? Is it legitimate to resist Church authority, including even the Pope?
Chilean author José Antonio Ureta offers some in his new book, Pope Francis Paradigm Shift: Continuity or Rupture in the Mission of the Church? An Assessment of his Five-year Pontificate.
Mr. Ureta, what made you want to write this book?
I think a lot of ordinary, good Catholics are distressed with all the changes they see with this papacy.... Some of them say: Well its the Pope or the bishops who are the leading magisterium so we have to follow.. Others [say] if these are heresies, he cannot be the Pope! Then they're on this very slippery slope of sedevacantism which is no solution at all.
We have the right to resist because St. Paul said If we or an angel from heaven should preach [to you] a gospel other than the one that we preached to you, let him be anathema.
So whats the solution?
In the family, the relationship between a child and his father presupposes confidence. In some cases we can stop our "coexistence" with [erring] pastors, and then come closer to those who defend true Catholic doctrine. Because the charism of infallibility doesnt cover every teaching and every gesture, every act of the pope or of the pastors, they can err...We have full right of not following these ...
You talk about resistance not as revolt. [But] people say, for example, that the dubia was an act against the Pope whereas its authors see it as an act of charity to the Pope and to the faithful, to ensure he does not err.
(Excerpt) Read more at ncregister.com ...
I'm just is the process of figuring out what I want to propose to my Bishop(Knoxville) in terms of responding to/resisting this gnarly "Paradigm Shift."
The interview at the link is worth your time. I think José Antonio Ureta's book will be a very interesting read... when it comes out in English! I notice it's available at Amazon.com for under $10 paperback, and under $1 on Kindle --- but it's in Portuguese :o/
This is for Catholics staying Catholic. So --- if I may be permitted to say this --- please don't go off-topic.
I'd like some practical (tactical and strategic) input here: I mean, beyond weeping and sighing,"We're Catholics. We don't do 'Paradigm Shift.'"
Bringing Fundamental Change to the Catholic Church.
Keep the faith.
And keep your powder dry.
The remnant is being tested.
There are still true Catholics, true to their 2 millennium history.
Most Holy Trinity Seminary was founded in 1995 in order to provide priestly training for young men who thoroughly reject Vatican II, its reforms, and the Modernist hierarchy which promulgates them. This position is in contrast to the seminaries of traditionalist groups that operate with the approval of the Modernist hierarchy, or who seek this approval.
Most Holy Trinity Seminary is distinguished from other seminaries by its emphasis on the sacred liturgy. The Divine Office is sung three times a day. It is one of the few seminaries which rejects the early Modernist reforms made by Bugnini.
Just say NO.
Stay the course.
Excellent article. Thank you.
Thank-you for posting this thread free of personal or near personal attacks. God Bless.
Well if the thread you have posted did not end up becoming a flame thread, this duplicate thread would not had been needed to be set up.
Jews were mentioned in the article. Thus it could not be catholic caucused.
1. Behave in a Christian manner regardless of what the priests and bishops say and do, and
2. Join a parish that is solidly orthodox so you can hide away as much as possible from the heretics.
Neither of those is going to be sufficient. There seems to be a thread of conservatism within Catholicism that is somewhat Calvinistic. They suggest, without ever coming out and saying it, that even if there are only a handful of Catholics left when Jesus returns then the Catholic Church will have survived as prophesied; and of course they believe they will be among the handful.
I think the only plan that has any hope of successfully righting the Catholic ship is for the creation of a lay apostolate within the Catholic Church that functions something like the Christian Coalition did. The hope would be an ever-increasing membership of Catholics willing to hold back funds from organizations and fund drives that fail to hold to Catholic doctrine. Members would also be willing to march, protest, and conduct civil disobedience to express outrage against particular individuals and institutions advocating heretical positions.
An existing organization could be co-opted for this purpose, or a new one started up.
Money and feet talk. Letters or phone calls from individual Catholics to disobedient bishops fall on blinded eyes and deaf ears.
If the actions are limited to opposing activities that are clearly heretical then I don't think this would count as disobedience to the Pope or the bishops in general.
If the actions are limited to Church property then we may be able to keep the MSM out of it as much as possible. So no closing down traffic on a public highway, but maybe surrounding a church to prevent entry if that church hosted a gay "marriage". Maybe sit-ins in bishops' offices similar to the sit-ins in deans' offices of college protesters.
Heretical bishops are making tangible changes to the Church. This requires a tangible response, not just running away in hopes of being part of the "remnant", writing cleverly worded op eds in The Wanderer, or spouting off on a YouTube vlog as others might suggest.
"Archbishop Chaput: Catholics Need Faith and Reason, Not a New Paradigm"
Thank you for putting up a Catholic Caucus thread, given the earlier one defended into Catholic bashing.
(spell check demons!)
Make a list of things that you think have changed that you don’t like under this Pope. Start calling up 10 random parishes a day and asking about if these changes are going on there. You are millionaire modern Catholic willing to donate heavily and join the parish if they are. You tell them you are willing to be very private and low-key about it. And see what they say.
You’re not Catholic. This is a Caucus thread.
This is not the answer any of you want to hear, but the answer is to walk away and start anew with an authentic Church.
I just don’t see any way to dislodge the increasingly corrupt cabal inside the Vatican.
I suspect in a few years you will all be looking at Martin Luther from a new perspective.
"Sorry You failed to come through on Your promises, dear Christ my God, but that's OK! We'll just start another one just like the other one, but New! Old! Improved! Identical! Continuity R Us!"
Besides, been there, done that. How many little splinter chapels are there out there with Bishop Kevin in the basement in brocade, reeking of WalMart incense, hawking framed pictures of Pius X? (Or Pius V, 50% off this weekend only!) --- it's no solution, it's just Vetus Ordo Protestantism.
How does that help the 1.2 billion "within the gates"? How does that help the Church, the flock in Christ's sheepfold?
That's an extremely interesting idea.
Does "Catholics United for the Faith" still exist? Christifideles Laici?
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