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To: CondoleezzaProtege
Neither of them were ever married.

Hate to play devil's advocate, but, well, they just don't know what marriage is like.

5 posted on 07/07/2018 4:02:51 PM PDT by wastedyears (The left would kill every single one of us and our families if they knew they could get away with it)
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To: wastedyears; Wonder Warthog; Ken H; Dr. Pritchett; BipolarBob
Part of the problem is that even Christian counselors have catered to secular psychology trends, which don't adequately challenge the materialism and self-centeredness at the root of the modern world's conceptions of marriage.

A good priest's job is to lay out for the couple a theological/mystical basis for their union so that each spouse intellectually, spiritually enters into the union with a firm understanding of the notions and implications of "sacrament" and of a "covenant" sealed and made before God.

Marriage as a sacrament is designed to prepare each spouse for eternity, to bear witness the love of Christ to each other, and to procreate. THat's how the unmarried men Jesus and Saint Paul described it in the New Testament.

Not saying there isn't room for secular therapy, but that the sacramental/mystical basis is so often set aside. And people's understanding of the spiritual magnitude of the union is diminished from the get-go. Marriage is NOT "eternal" (only Mormons believe that) -- but it's supposed to serve as an earthly testimony of Christ's eternal union with his people, the church.

“For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.” This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church. However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband. ~ Ephesians 5:31-33

12 posted on 07/07/2018 4:16:40 PM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: wastedyears

Oh, really?

Didn’t the grow up in a family with a mother and father and observe their marriage?

Don’t waste your thoughts on this, please.


32 posted on 07/07/2018 4:47:00 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: wastedyears

I agree with you. I have seen this in my own church.

I have seen well-meaning experienced Priests struggle to counsel those with marital difficulties. At the same time we had a married Deacon who was absolutely marvelous at it.

Are there Priests who are good at it as well? No doubt, but I don’t think it’s the majority. They just lack the frame of reference.


153 posted on 07/09/2018 7:45:11 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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