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Did Luther say, “Be a sinner and sin boldly”?
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Posted on 07/08/2018 10:03:40 AM PDT by Luircin

IV. Sin Boldly: A Detailed Analysis

The Letter to Melanchthon ends with the famous “sin boldly” statement:

“If you are a preacher of grace, then preach a true and not a fictitious grace; if grace is true, you must bear a true and not a fictitious sin. God does not save people who are only fictitious sinners. Be a sinner and sin boldly,  but believe and rejoice in Christ even more boldly, for he is victorious over sin, death, and the world. As long as we are here [in this world]  we have to sin. This life is not the dwelling place of righteousness,  but, as Peter says,  we look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells. It is enough that by the riches of God’s glory we have come to know the Lamb that takes away the sin of the world.  No sin will separate us from the Lamb, even though we commit fornication and murder a thousand times a day. Do you think that the purchase price that was paid for the redemption of our sins by so great a Lamb is too small? Pray boldly—you too are a mighty sinner.”[23]

It’s important to work slowly through this striking exhortation to Melanchthon, remembering that Wittenberg was not a calm spiritual community. It was a place under turmoil. Melanchthon was to face trials both from within his own small group of leaders and outside from the political juggernauts of the papacy and the empire. The situations involving marriage, celibacy, and the Lord’s Supper discussed above may seem like debatable academic subjects to the modern reader, but during these early years of the Reformation they were important societal topics that provoked deep emotion. Changes in these practices were changes in the very fabric of society. Luther encourages his co-worker to stand strong in the faith. The very community that Luther was responsible for was in the hands of Melanchthon.[24] Luther’s final exhortation in this letter is for Melanchthon to hold fast to the firm gospel of Jesus Christ. Whatever trouble may come, Melanchthon was to be true to the Gospel.

What follows is a line-by-line analysis of the paragraph containing the exhortation to “sin boldly.”

“If you are a preacher of grace, then preach a true and not a fictitious grace…”

Luther exhorts Melanchthon to stand firm and preach the pure gospel. The pure gospel proclaims God’s true grace. It is a grace that actually forgives all a man’s sins, without any works of penance geared toward eventual justification. The papal system Luther was part of taught that God’s grace could be attained by faith combined good works, and that the sacrament of penance must be carried out to completely forgive a man for sin. This would be a fictitious grace. As Ewald Plass points out, “The concept of grace was, of course, not unknown to Luther the Catholic. But this term, as so many others, had become a ‘weasel word’ in the Church of Rome, a word emptied of its Scriptural meaning. Thus grace was turned ‘from the divine source of pardon and forgiveness into an infused ability (gratia infusa) of man to perform good works for his own salvation.’ ”[25]

“…if grace is true, you must bear a true and not a fictitious sin. God does not save people who are only fictitious sinners.”

What does Luther mean “fictitious sin”? Perhaps he has in mind what he had just discussed: people thinking they were sinning by only receiving the bread and not the wine in the Lord’s Supper. This would indeed be a fictitious sin. Elsewhere though, Luther describes the “fictitious sins” concocted by the papacy:

“There are commandments and teachings of the pope which say nothing at all about faith in Christ, as the Gospel does, but merely about obedience to him in bodily, trivial, trifling matters, such as the eating of meat, observing festivals, fasting, dressing, etc. Yet the pope has emphasized and extolled these far more than God's Word, and they are feared and followed far more, have more thoroughly terrified and captivated consciences, and have made hell far hotter than did both God's Law and His Gospel. For they have given little regard to unbelief, blasphemy, adultery, murder, theft, and whatever else is opposed to Christ and His command; for these sins penance was quickly done and forgiveness given. But when someone touched one of the pope's commandments, the bulls had to come with lightning and thunder. This was called damned disobedience and brought a man under the ban of the pope. Now heaven and earth had to tremble in terror. But when sins against God were concerned, sins in which they themselves are drowned, not a leaf stirred. On the contrary, they mocked and laughed at the matter in great security, as they do to this day. Besides this, they persecute and murder in a cruel manner all who esteem God’s commandment above the commandment of their abomination. The pope wants God and His Word under him; he wants himself enthroned above them. This is his regime and nature. Without these he could not be the Antichrist.”[26]

Luther says that God does not save people who are only “fictitious sinners.” No, God saves actual sinners. “Luther often called actual sin, as does Scripture…spiritual adultery.”[27] Luther says all men have a “lust for divinity”: “No sin troubles us as severely as the lust after divinity. Of course, the lust of the flesh is also a furiously strong urge, yet it is only a form (of sin) and nothing in comparison with spiritual lust or fornication.”[28] All actual sins are attempts to deify ourselves. As Ewald Plass points out, “At the heart of every sin which our corrupt nature moves us to commit is the burning desire to recognize no one as superior to ourselves…Luther points to this as the common denominator of all actual sins.”[29] In our zeal to be our own gods, we psychological say, “I do not believe God’s ways are the right way for me.” Thus, at our spiritual roots, our actions are the result of unbelief in the heart- a blatant disbelief that God’s way is the best way. We are all indeed, actual sinners.

“Be a sinner and sin boldly, but believe and rejoice in Christ even more boldly, for he is victorious over sin, death, and the world.”

Luther was prone to strong hyperbole. It's his style, and this statement is a perfect example. Luther doesn't write analytical theology. He writes profound verbose sentiment driving one to think deeply.

The first thing to recognize is that the sentence is a statement of comparison. Luther's point is not to go out and commit multiple amounts of gleeful sin everyday, but rather to believe and rejoice in Christ even more boldly despite the sin in our lives. Christians have a real savior. No amount of sin is too much to be atoned for by a perfect savior whose righteousness is imputed to the sinner who reaches out in faith. But what then is the practical application of sinning “boldly”? What is at the heart of this comparison? Luther explains elsewhere how to take on the attitude of sinning “boldly”:

“Therefore let us arm our hearts with these and similar statements of Scripture so that, when the devil accuses us by saying: You are a sinner; therefore you are damned, we can reply: The very fact that you say I am a sinner makes me want to be just and saved. Nay, you will be damned, says the devil. Indeed not, I reply, for I take refuge in Christ, who gave Himself for my sins. Therefore you will accomplish nothing, Satan, by trying to frighten me by setting the greatness of my sins before me and thus seducing me to sadness, doubt, despair, hatred, contempt, and blasphemy of God. Indeed, by calling me a sinner you are supplying me with weapons against yourself so that I can slay and destroy you with your own sword; for Christ died for sinners. Furthermore, you yourself proclaim the glory of God to me; you remind me of God's paternal love for me, a miserable and lost sinner; for He so loved the world that He gave His Son (John 3:16). Again, whenever you throw up to me that I am a sinner, you revive in my memory the blessing of Christ, my Redeemer, on whose shoulders, and not on mine, lie all my sins; for "the Lord hath laid on Him the iniquity of us all" and "for the transgression of His people was He stricken" (Is. 53:6-8). Therefore when you throw up to me that I am a sinner, you are not terrifying me; you are comforting me beyond measure.”[30]

The strong hyperbolic comparison Luther makes between “sinning boldly” and believing and rejoicing in Christ “even more boldly” comes clear. When assaulted by the fear and doubt of Christ’s love because of previous sins or the remnants of sin in one’s life, one is thrust back into the arms of Christ “on whose shoulders, and not on mine, lie all my sins…”. Rather than promoting a license to sin by saying “sin boldly,” Luther’s point is to simply compare the sinner to the perfect savior. Left in our sins we will face nothing but death and damnation. By Christ’s victory over sin, death, and the world, we stand clothed in His righteousness, the recipients of His grace, no matter what we have done.

It also should be pointed out, Luther was not simply telling Melanchthon to try really hard to be “bold”. Elsewhere Luther points out that the Holy Spirit is that which makes one bold. Preaching on John 15: ‘And ye also bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning,’ Luther tells his hearers that Christ is saying:

“Yes; then, first, when you become certain of your faith through the Holy Spirit, who is your witness, you must also bear witness of me, for to that end I chose you to be apostles. You have heard my words and teachings and have seen my works and life and all things that you are to preach. But the Holy Spirit must first be present; otherwise you can do nothing, for the conscience is too weak. Yes, there is no sin so small that the conscience could vanquish it, even if it were so trifling a one as laughing in church, Again, in the presence of death the conscience is far too weak to offer resistance. Therefore another must come and give to the timid, despairing conscience, courage to go through everything, although all sins be upon it. And it must, at the same time, be an almighty courage, like he alone can give who ministers strength in such a way that the courage, which before a rustling leaf could cause to fear, is now not afraid of all the devils, and the conscience that before could not restrain laughing, now restrains all sins.”[31]

“As long as we are here [in this world]  we have to sin. This life is not the dwelling place of righteousness,  but, as Peter says,  we look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells. It is enough that by the riches of God’s glory we have come to know the Lamb that takes away the sin of the world.”

This is simply the same message Paul proclaims in Romans 7. Even though a man has been justified by Christ and had His righteousness imputed to him, the remnants of sin still remain. Paul says,

“For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin. For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I will to do, that I do not practice; but what I hate, that I do. If, then, I do what I will not to do, I agree with the law that it is good. But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find. For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice. Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good. For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man. But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? I thank God—through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.”

For Luther, the remnants of sin were not a license to “sin boldly”. Commenting on Romans 7:17, the sins that remain in a believer’s life are there to be fought:

“Sin remains in the spiritual man for the exercise of grace, the humbling of pride, and the repression of presumption. For he who is not busily at work driving out sin without a doubt has sin by the very fact of this neglect, even though he has committed no further sin for which he may be damned. For we are not called to idleness; we are called to labor against our passions. These would not be without guilt—for they are truly sins, indeed damnable ones — if the mercy of God did not forego imputing them to us. But He does not impute them to those only who manfully undertake the struggle with their failings and, calling upon the grace of God, fight it through. Therefore he who goes to confession should not fancy that he is laying down burdens in order to live a life of ease. On the contrary, he should know that by laying down the burden he is undertaking to serve as a soldier of God and is taking a different burden upon himself, the burden of battling for God against the devil and his own failings. The man who does not know this will suffer a quick relapse. Therefore he who does not intend henceforth to fight—why does he ask to be absolved and to be enrolled in the army of Christ?”[32]

“No sin will separate us from the Lamb, even though we commit fornication and murder a thousand times a day. Do you think that the purchase price that was paid for the redemption of our sins by so great a Lamb is too small? Pray boldly—you too are a mighty sinner.”

Luther’s critics often quote this statement. The Catholic scholar Jared Wicks has correctly pointed out, “One needs to be on the lookout for Luther's rhetorical flights, and to be judicious in discriminating between the substance of his message and the linguistic extremes with which he sometimes made his points.”[33] The above statement is a perfect example. The point Luther is making is not to go out and murder or fornicate as much as possible, but rather to point out the infinite sacrifice of Christ’s atonement. There is no sin that Christ cannot cover. His atonement was of an infinite value. That this statement was not to be considered literally is apparent by Luther’s use of argumentum ad absurdum: do people really commit fornication and murder a thousand times a day? No. Not even the most heinous God-hating sinner is able to carry out such a daily lifestyle.

Secondly, one must recall the recipient of this letter: Phillip Melanchthon. No historical information exists that indicts Melanchthon of ever murdering or fornicating, even once. The Lutheran writer W.H.T. Dau presents the absurdity of the arguments put forth by Roman Catholic authors along these lines:

“ ‘Be a sinner, and sin bravely, but believe more bravely still’- this is the chef d’oeuvre of the muck-rackers in Luther’s life…What caused Luther to write these words? Did Melanchthon contemplate some crime which he was too timid to perpetrate? According to the horrified expressions of Catholics that must have been the situation. Luther, in their view, says to Melanchthon: Philip, you are a simpleton. Why scruple about a sin? You are confined in the trammels of very narrow-minded moral views. You must get rid of them. Have the courage to be wicked. Make a hero of yourself by executing some bold piece of iniquity. Be an ‘Uebermensch.’ Sin with brazen unconcern; be a fornicator, a murderer, a liar, a thief, defy every moral statute,- only do not forget to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. His grace is intended, not for hesitating, craven sinners, but for audacious, spirited, high minded criminals…Can the reader induce himself to believe that Luther advised Melanchthon to do what he himself knew was a moral impossibility to himself because of his relation to God?…What brave sin did Melanchthon actually commit upon being thus advised by Luther?”[34]

On the other hand, Luther ends by saying, “you too are a mighty sinner” so “pray boldly.” Here, Luther points out the seriousness of sin. While Christ’s sacrifice and work are infinite enough to cover the most heinous of sins, any sin in a person’s life makes them a “mighty sinner” in need of a savior. A little sinner winds up in Hell just as the mighty sinners do, thus we are all really mighty enough sinners to deserve damnation.

That Luther’s words should not be taken literally is clear from statements he made elsewhere about heinous sin:

“Works only reveal faith, just as fruits only show the tree, whether it is a good tree. I say, therefore, that works justify, that is, they show that we have been justified, just as his fruits show that a man is a Christian and believes in Christ, since he does not have a feigned faith and life before men. For the works indicate whether I have faith. I conclude, therefore, that he is righteous, when I see that he does good works. In God’s eyes that distinction is not necessary, for he is not deceived by hypocrisy. But it is necessary among men, so that they may correctly understand where faith is and where it is not. As Paul says, we ought not to trust a faith which is false, as when someone believes he is a part of the church although he meanwhile still whores [I Cor. 5:11]. In this I see that he is not a good tree and when he glories saying, “I am a part,” I can argue against him, “You are not part of the church, because your works are evil.” Therefore, those works are also evidence to himself and to others about him whether he has the true faith. For those who glory that they are Christians and do not show this faith by such works, as this sinful woman does, but persist up to the present and live in open sins, in whoring and adultery, are not Christians at all. For the Christian shows his life and that he has been made a Christian by love and good works and flees all vices. We should not be a part of the church in number only, as the hypocrites, but also by our works, so that our heavenly Father may be glorified. Love merits forgiveness of sins, that is, love reveals that his sins have been forgiven.”[35]

For Luther, outward sins like murder and adultery were obviously bad. But these were only a symptom of unbelief, which is the root of all outward sin. In a sermon on Luke 18, Luther discusses the faith of the Publican as compared to the works of the Pharisee:

“Now let us better see and hear what the Lord says to this. There stands the publican and humbles himself, says nothing of fasting, nothing of his good works, nor of anything. Yet the Lord says that his sins are not so great as the sins of the hypocrite; even in spite of anyone now exalting himself above the lowest sinner. If I exalt myself a finger's breadth above my neighbor, or the vilest sinner, then am I cast down. For the publican during his whole life did not do as many and as great sins as this Pharisee does here when he says: I thank thee God that, I am not as other men are; and lies enough to burst all heaven. From him you hear no word like: "God, be thou merciful to me a sinner!" God's mercy, sympathy, patience and love are all forgotten by him, while God is nothing but pure mercy, and he who does not know this, thinks there is no God, as in Psalm 14:1: "The fool hath Said in his heart, There is no God." So it is with an unbeliever who does not know himself. Therefore I say one thing more, if he had committed the vilest sin and deflowered virgins, it would not have been as bad as when he says: "I thank thee God, that I am not as the rest of men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican." Yes, yes, do I hear you have no need of God and despise his goodness, mercy, love and everything that God is? Behold, these are thy sins. Hence the public gross sins that break out are insignificant; but unbelief which is in the heart and we cannot see, this is the real sin in which monks and priests strut forth; these lost and corrupt ones are sunk head and ears in this sin, and pretend to be entirely free from it.”[36]

In the above statement, one can see Luther’s brilliance with language and theological insight. How many of us think of unbelief as an extreme heinous sin? Compared to blatant fornication or murder, unbelief seems to us as not so bad. Luther though realizes that unbelief is a sin against a holy God, and thus more heinous than any amount of murder or adultery. A sin against a perfect infinite being deserves a perfect infinite punishment. All of us are indeed, mighty sinners.


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One part of a full analysis of Luther's teachings on works, sin, and faith.

Coming soon: Luther's direct quotations about the relationship between works and faith.

1 posted on 07/08/2018 10:03:40 AM PDT by Luircin
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To: Luircin
Although I'm not a Roman Catholic, it boggles the mind to imagine how Luther's position can fail to offend the conscience.

Explanation is both unnecessary and irrelevant.

2 posted on 07/08/2018 10:20:18 AM PDT by stormhill
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To: Luircin
“No sin will separate us from the Lamb, even though we commit fornication and murder a thousand times a day. Do you think that the purchase price that was paid for the redemption of our sins by so great a Lamb is too small? Pray boldly—you too are a mighty sinner.”

If a person is truly honest with themselves, they will acknowledge they sin each and every day. Some are what some call little sins, others "big" sins. Some sins are seen publicly....some just remain in the mind. In either case they are sins as that is how Jesus identified sin.

The mere thought of murder is equated to actual murder. The mere thought of adultery is equated to actual adultery. We could go on with example after example of these. They are all viewed as sin and sufficient to separate you from God.

That is why Paul wrote, all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.

When one considers how often one sins a day, we should be on our knees thanking God that by His grace it is through faith in Christ we are saved.

We are saved through believing Jesus died for our sins. We become His followers. We follow His commandments.

As Paul wrote,

21I find then the principle that evil is present in me, the one who wants to do good. 22For I joyfully concur with the law of God in the inner man, 23but I see a different law in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin which is in my members.

24Wretched man that I am! Who will set me free from the body of this death?

25Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, on the one hand I myself with my mind am serving the law of God, but on the other, with my flesh the law of sin.

Romans 7:21-25 NASB

3 posted on 07/08/2018 10:33:46 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: stormhill

Did you read the article?


4 posted on 07/08/2018 10:49:29 AM PDT by Luircin
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To: stormhill

For that matter, do you even know what Luther’s position is? And can you provide textual first person evidence to back it up?


5 posted on 07/08/2018 10:53:11 AM PDT by Luircin
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To: Luircin

“Alas, I have my Reformation. But no one is reformed! “


6 posted on 07/08/2018 11:00:31 AM PDT by KierkegaardMAN (This is the sort of stuff up with which I shall not put!)
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To: KierkegaardMAN

http://beggarsallreformation.blogspot.com/p/did-luther-regret-reformation.html In reply.


7 posted on 07/08/2018 11:03:56 AM PDT by Luircin
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To: stormhill

>>Although I’m not a Roman Catholic, it boggles the mind to imagine how Luther’s position can fail to offend the conscience.

Luther’s position should offend the conscience of the Worldly Man. After all, the Worldly Man knows that he is pretty good, certainly better than most, and probably as good any of the men around him. The Worldly Man loves to tell the others, who aren’t as good as he is, that they need to sin less.

His sin, of course, is not really that bad and can be easily justified by him.

In Reformed theology, we understand that we are all sinners who cannot be good enough to meet God’s perfect requirements. Luther is telling us to stop pretending that our sin is OK, but our neighbor’s sin is too much.

This is the actual good news of the Gospel and explanation is never irrelevant since so many Christians are fearful and worried that they are not being good enough. They think they were washed clean when they were dunked in the water or said a prayer and that they started needing to “earn” it afterwards.

They were washed clean almost 2000 years ago and will still be clean 2000 years from now.


8 posted on 07/08/2018 11:09:55 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Asking a pro athlete for political advice is like asking a cavalry horse for tactical advice.)
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To: ealgeone

The mere thought of murder is equated to actual murder.


That’s why, when they pass the collection plate at church, I only THINK about putting something in.


9 posted on 07/08/2018 11:12:14 AM PDT by sparklite2 (See more at Sparklite Times)
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To: Luircin

THANKS BE TO GOD, for blessed saint and Catholic priest Martin Luther!!

A flawed man, like all those God powerfully uses, but used all the more powerfully by his dependence on God, instead of the corrupt religion of Rome.

He recovered the Gospel of Grace that billions may know salvation
He translated the Scriptures into the language of ordinary men and women
He introduced music into worship
He exposed the corruption of Rome
He broke the chains that bound the church and state
And so much more.

Those who criticize a caracture of Luther, do it based on ignorance.

Flawed, warts and all, standing in desperate need of the grace of God, God used Saint Luther in ways his critics will never be used nor understand.

His praise will be from the Father, “Well done, good and faithful servant!”

2 Corinthians 12:9

“But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me.”


10 posted on 07/08/2018 11:24:54 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Luircin

He also suggested bigamy was acceptable.


11 posted on 07/08/2018 11:25:33 AM PDT by narses ( For the Son of man shall come ... and then will he render to every man according to his works.)
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To: narses

Thank you for trying to change the subject; I suspect you didn’t read the article, did you?

As for ‘bigamy’ being acceptable, do you know the context of this suggestion?


12 posted on 07/08/2018 11:28:06 AM PDT by Luircin
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To: Luircin

“Set fire to their synagogues or schools,” Martin Luther recommended in On the Jews and Their Lies. Jewish houses should “be razed and destroyed,” and Jewish “prayer books and Talmudic writings, in which such idolatry, lies, cursing, and blasphemy are taught, [should] be taken from them.” In addition, “their rabbis [should] be forbidden to teach on pain of loss of life and limb.” Still, this wasn’t enough.

Luther also urged that “safe-conduct on the highways be abolished completely for the Jews,” and that “all cash and treasure of silver and gold be taken from them.” What Jews could do was to have “a flail, an ax, a hoe, a spade” put into their hands so “young, strong Jews and Jewesses” could “earn their bread in the sweat of their brow.”


13 posted on 07/08/2018 11:31:52 AM PDT by narses ( For the Son of man shall come ... and then will he render to every man according to his works.)
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To: Luircin

The subject is Luther and his words, why would you think I was changing the subject. Look up Luther’s advice regards bigamy. He clothed that advice in sanctimony.


14 posted on 07/08/2018 11:33:18 AM PDT by narses ( For the Son of man shall come ... and then will he render to every man according to his works.)
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To: narses

I did look it up.

The advice is to Henry VIII, and Luther’s advice was that bigamy is less of a sin than adultery and divorce.

But please, keep showcasing your ignorance and refusal to do your research.

This is why people call Romanists hateful.


16 posted on 07/08/2018 11:36:50 AM PDT by Luircin
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To: narses
The "Toilet where Luther strained to produce the Reformation" has been found.
17 posted on 07/08/2018 11:42:50 AM PDT by Al Hitan
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To: Luircin

“The advice is to Henry VIII, and Luther’s advice was that bigamy is less of a sin than adultery and divorce.”

And also the Phillip of Hesse and he did NOT call it sinful. He said necessity allowed same.


18 posted on 07/08/2018 11:42:55 AM PDT by narses ( For the Son of man shall come ... and then will he render to every man according to his works.)
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To: Luircin

I’m reminded about something I’ve frequently said, though hopefully not like it was a novelty I’d happened upon, that in our society we are dealing with people who not only make out that homosexuals nothing to repent of but that they couldn’t.

These are the two sides to the they were born this way argument.

On the one hand they seek to blame God, acting as if their lusts were His doing.

Yet on the other hand they act as if their sin is bigger than God.

Remember, immediately after listing off those who cannot enter the Kingdom we find Paul saying and such were some of you.

I’m fully convinced that for many it isn’t the charge that they must repent that most offends but that they actually can by the power of the Holy Spirit in Christ.

Saying someone must repent only tells them that you disapprove of their lifestyle; but, saying they can repent places the burden for continuing in that lifestyle squarely on their shoulders.

God is bigger than our sin. (period, fin, that’s all folks)

But as Luther might say observing these comments, when he said that the root of sin is men wanting to make themselves out to be god themselves, what I’m implying / adding is that sin and therefore the actual father of sin, the devil, is what ends up sitting on the throne of the heart that rejects Christ, and not the man who thinks he’ll be just fine on his own.

This, I think, is part of what Paul meant when he spoke of those who are slaves to sin. They are not sitting on the throne of their own hearts, their sin is. As for being free with respect to righteousness I take that as meaning that they can be a small sinner, effectively temperate and morally/ethically agreeable in all things or the greatest sinner and neither their (in human terms) goodness or badness affects that they are still slaves to sin.

The only thing a sinner like that can do to change being a slave to sin is to repent as God has provided in Christ (and only in Christ).

Which gets us to the flip side. God IS BIGGER than our sin, Grace is fully adequate to make anyone one a “such were you” person.

The saints are then slaves to righteousness, for Christ sits on the throne of our hearts, and we are free with respect to sin ... obviously because sin can no longer condemn us as Paul and Luther would no doubt agree, but I would go further to opine that because of on account to us being able to obey the Master that has saved us and not the body of death (which we still at present cart around) we can, or could be if our walk were perfect, not sin even though tempted.

Before anyone launch into me for that realize what I’m saying, what are I hope it’s implied limits, and how that works.

Let’s go back for a moment and consider again the sinner who is a slave to sin: whatever they do, just so long as they do not turn to Christ, doesn’t affect in any way that they are a slave to sin. They don’t have an obedience per se, the knocking by Christ to come in as it happens in their lives is still outside of them.

But the redeemed saint faces a choice of masters. Will they obey the Holy Spirit on the throne or the demands of the old body of death?

Obedience to the Holy Spirit is without sin. If a person were so active to obey the Holy Spirit on all occasions and to turn aside from the demands of the body of death they would be living without new sin while that obedience was so astonishing.

So I’m not saying that we who fall flat on our faces, spiritually speaking, don’t sin but that when we are described as being free with respect to sin that just doesn’t necessarily stop at us not being under condemnation. And when we do fall flat on our faces because we listen to the demands of the body of death we also have a mighty champion before God whose nail scars speak louder than our sins.

Also realize that there is coming a day when this body of death will be taken away, when there won’t be two trying to demand our obedience but just the Holy Spirit.

So those who say they’ve nothing to repent of, but they blame God for their sin, take up armor to equip themselves against the call of repentance ... in their eyes it just becomes us judging them and who are we to judge them?

And when they say they cannot repent they are bowing down to the slaver squatting on a place made for God and any who do repent, who are “such were you”, are offensive to them for, when we cut to the chase, they serve the King and not the squatter.

This is not just “homosexuality” but arguably any sin that so easily entangles. It’s just as a practical matter there doesn’t seem to be many sins besides homosexuality that seem to wrap up folks whole sense of identity, or who they think they really are, in them.

I’m not saying there aren’t other identity sins, just that homosexuality certainly is one.


19 posted on 07/08/2018 11:45:48 AM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: narses

In response, have another article that A: proves you wrong about what Luther actually taught about bigamy, and B: that you won’t read.

http://beggarsallreformation.blogspot.com/2006/03/persepctives-of-luther-luther.html

The funny thing is that once again, the Catholics did far worse in practice, WITH Papal approval, than even the worst of Luther’s, at the time, inexperienced advice.

So you’re arguing that people should be Catholic because they were worse sinners than the Reformers. That’s funny.


20 posted on 07/08/2018 11:56:06 AM PDT by Luircin
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