Posted on 07/28/2018 8:00:05 AM PDT by Salvation
Mary sinned just like the rest of us.
If she hadn’t then she wouldn’t have needed a Savior.
And if Mary were capable of living a perfect life, then she showed that it could be done and Jesus didn’t need to die.
What were Her sins? Care to back up you accusation?
Every person who dies believing Christ goes to Heaven.
What were Her sins? Care to back up you accusation?
For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Romans 3:23 NASB
Rome's position contradicts the New Testament.
Romans 3:23 is not my opinion. It is inspired Scripture recorded by Paul.
Your disagreement is with the New Testament.
So you think all the souls who died before the birth of Christ never went to Heaven, because they didn’t follow Him?
No, it’s still just your opinion.
One of many of yours, that I’m not interested in.
Attaboy...change the topic when you cornered.
You can't refute Romans 3:23 in relation to the Immaculate Conception.
Suggest you read Hebrews 11....and all of Romans.
Amazing. Utterly amazing. I give you a verse from the inspired Word of God and you call it my opinion because the clear reading of the verse contradicts your false Roman Catholic theology.
One of many of yours, that I’m not interested in.
Yet you keep posting.
Get that help, ebb.....and soon.
Polly want another cracker?
Yawn!
That’s correct MM. How many sins did Adam and Eve commit, before they stood condemned? One. Just one. They didn’t commit murder, or abort their baby. They didn’t assault anyone, or commit adultery. They just ate the fruit, but that one, little, seemingly innocuous sin, immediately condemned them to Hell, unless they had a savior.
No doubt some people think one can be truly saved, and use that as an excuse for wickedness. I think that is what the natural man of 1 Corinthians 2:14 thinks. It’s not true, of course. If a true Christian DOES fall into sin, they could end up like Ananias and Sapphira. Only God knows for sure, whether they were truly saved or not. I tend to think they were, but got taken out, for lying to the Holy Spirit.
If she had been without sin, then she wouldn't have needed a savior.
Luke 1:46 And Mary said,“My soul magnifies the Lord, and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior,
And while Scripture doesn't list them, and neither does Mary, fear and worry are two we can see.
Luke 1:29-30 But she was greatly troubled at the saying, and tried to discern what sort of greeting this might be. And the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God.
Luke 2:48 And when his parents saw him, they were astonished. And his mother said to him, “Son, why have you treated us so? Behold, your father and I have been searching for you in great distress.”
But honestly, your request is downright stupid.
Scripture does not make a point of listing every major players sins nor is it important to know the specifics. The lack of listing them is not proof that they don't exist. Nor is God obligated to include such details for your morbid curiosity.
It's enough to know this.
Romans 3:21-25 But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it— the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction: for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith.
Well, Jesus is more than fire insurance.
And HE knows who's sincere and who's just trying to use Him to see what they can get away with.
The attempts to discredit salvation by faith just because SOME people might think they can sin with impunity and still get to heaven doesn't work.
Heck, they don't let the actions of their pedo priests discredit Catholicism and yet they posit hypothetical scenarios and demand we pass judgment on whether that hypothetical person is saved or not.
It does not build a case against salvation by grace without woks, but just reveals that the person who thinks that way could not have been born again.
Nobody who has the Spirit of God in them would have that mindset towards sin.
People who are not saved simply have no concept of the change in one's thinking towards sin in the person who is regenerate, who has the Spirit of the living God in them.
Romans 6:1-4 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it? Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life.
Romans 6:12-18 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, to make you obey its passions. Do not present your members to sin as instruments for unrighteousness, but present yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life, and your members to God as instruments for righteousness. For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.
What then? Are we to sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means! Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness? But thanks be to God, that you who were once slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart to the standard of teaching to which you were committed, and, having been set free from sin, have become slaves of righteousness.
2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.
Romans 7 details the struggle with sin that the believer has.
Nope, sinning wantonly is not an option for the believer.
Not to mention that GOD will not allow any of His children to continue in blatant sin like that.
Catholics treat God as if it's all our responsibility to avoid sin and God is a disinterested, disapproving, distant, hands off entity, who just sits up there with a scorecard, shaking His head, and ticking off *Yup, he did another one.*
They do NOT see that God has any active involvement with His own children that HE chose to redeem.
God will not let us continue in a self-destructive path but will actively intervene to protect us from ourselves and save us from ourselves.
ebb is counting on Mary the Mother of Jesus to get him out of purgatory, pronto.
Do you understand at all that Jesus Christ IS the incarnation of Almighty God and that it is because of this that He was able to lead a sinless life and offer up His holy, SINLESS life as a propitiation for the sins of the world??? Every human being that ever lived or ever WILL live can only be saved by trusting in/having faith in the Savior Jesus Christ who took our place on the altar as our Kinsman Redeemer. Even Mary, the mother of Jesus, had to trust in Him and NOT her own righteousness to save her.
How I pray that Catholics and everyone else comes to realize that they can NEVER be good enough to save themselves and that the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
It’s Mary’s own admission that she was a sinner. She called God *my savior*.
If she had been without sin, then she wouldn’t have needed a savior.
So, by the same ‘logic’, Jesus was a sinner also, since he was baptized? Did he need to be baptized to wash away his sins? By your logic, if Mary were sinless, then she would have been saved without God? If you lost a baby an hour after birth,obviously committed no sin, and went to heaven, then it went on it’s own? The baby would have no savior? I’m thinking not.
The error is in thinking that baptism deals with sin.
It doesn’t.
So Jesus never made any defacto admission of sinfulness.
Mary was not sinless.
Your illustration about a baby is not relevant to discussing an adult.
You need to read post 25. It explains it very well. (Courtesy ping to the author)
https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3674581/posts?page=25#25
But whatever gain I had, I counted as loss for the sake of Christ. Indeed, I count everything as loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. For his sake I have suffered the loss of all things and count them as rubbish, in order that I may gain Christ and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which comes through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God that depends on faith
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