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Sting: ‘The Church’s Music and Liturgy Fed This Artistic Soul’
National Catholic Register ^ | August 8, 2018 | Edward Pentin

Posted on 08/08/2018 10:50:29 AM PDT by ebb tide

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To: ClearCase_guy
Why not be a Nazi? They just get automatic forgiveness just like Mother Theresa, right?

According to the parable of the workers in the vineyard, the answer is basically....yes.

It's why that one is so hard for many of us to accept. But it's in the Bible.


21 posted on 08/08/2018 12:54:29 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: ebb tide

But he’s a big lefty, so...


22 posted on 08/08/2018 2:14:58 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (Interrupt Obama and reporters are racist; interrupt Trump and they're heroes. --Mark Levin)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Well, perhaps I am missing your point.

As I see it, there are two general cases:
1) You are raised in the Church and behave as a solid, believing Christian all of your life.
2) You are a johnny-come-lately and achieve conversion to Christ only at the end of the day.

In each case, your reward shall be the same: salvation in heaven.

But when I used “Nazi” as a category I was not picturing a Johnny-come-lately. I was picturing a Johnny-come-never. Someone who always and forever rejected Christ and the tenets of His teaching.

Shall salvation in heaven be granted even to such a person?


23 posted on 08/08/2018 2:48:36 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The MSM is in the business of creating a fake version of reality for political reasons.)
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To: ebb tide

Well there IS the “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ [as Savior] and you will be saved” thang. Mercy, yes... but it comes with the deal of surrendering yourself to Christ.


24 posted on 08/08/2018 11:09:03 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Tryin' hard to win the No-Bull Prize.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Such a person doesn’t want salvation. Salvation by definition means surrender too.


25 posted on 08/08/2018 11:10:12 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Tryin' hard to win the No-Bull Prize.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Being saved is a package deal. You don’t end up belonging to you (which is really to end up belonging to the devil). You end up belonging to Christ.


26 posted on 08/08/2018 11:11:50 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Tryin' hard to win the No-Bull Prize.)
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I have heard it preached that if Hitler accepted Jesus in his bunker during the last days of World War II, that through Grace he would be received and accepted by Jesus. My faith questioned that, but my blind faith had to accept it - as it is written in scriptures.

That’s a hard one to swallow isn’t it? But if you look at some of the rites associated with those who are condemned to the executioner, they are given a moment to choose. Some, may mouth the words - but deep inside their hearts... that only Jesus knows, are they really surrendering? That is something that we cannot know because we cannot look into the hearts of men.

My hope would be that people who make professions of faith, are not making those statements through vanity. Repentance does require change and sometimes a very limited amount of time means the only change that can be made is in their heart. And in their heart is a place that we, as humans, cannot see. If it is a ruse then no good can come of it.

When people were burned at the stake during inquisitions, they were asked if they accepted the Lord Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior, if they said yes they accepted Jesus, they were immediately garroted and then the fires were lighted. If they said no then the fires were lighted and they were burned alive. That was the choice that the Inquisitioners gave them. That is not the choice that the Lord would find acceptable, at least that’s what I would think. But who am I?


27 posted on 08/09/2018 4:22:52 AM PDT by Clutch Martin (The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.)
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