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Christian Positions Are Not Republican or Democrat, Rev. Tim Keller Says
Christian Post ^ | 10/02/2018 | Stoyan Zaimov

Posted on 10/02/2018 8:49:10 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: griffin; circlecity

“But what is racial justice? “

It’s whatever Barack Obama and other progressives want it to be. And you can be certain that you’re guilty of crimes against racial justice.


41 posted on 10/03/2018 4:08:54 PM PDT by Pelham (California, how mass immigration transforms America into Obamaland)
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To: SeekAndFind

In this whole topic, there are some instances that defy description

For instance... I have a friend who is a pastor. I’ve known him for the better part of 25 years. I met my wife when he was the pastor in charge of the singles group at the church I attended. In fact, he was the same pastor who married my wife and I. He was promoted into the lead pastorship of the church that my wife and I attended. In all this time, I have never heard him preach anything that was one iota out of line with Biblical Doctrine. He’s against abortion, he’s against sex outside of marriage, he really emphasizes treating others the way that we want to be treated, which is the rule that Christ Himself set forth. About 20 years ago, we left that area and moved to where we live now, but we kept in contact with him.

All that being said, when President Trump became the Republican nominee for president, my same pastor friend came out strongly against him. In fact, he continues to be against him to this day. He doesn’t like anything that the president has done, and he honestly thinks that those who are Christians and support him and his policies are 100% deceived.

In fact, about two months after President Trump was elected, my pastor friend started emphasizing refugee rights and how immigration should not be restricted from anywhere. He emphasized his friendship with Iraqis who had come over to the us as refugees. These refugees were not Christian... In fact, they are Muslim.

I’m not sure what has happened in order to change his views in the preceding 20 years. He is still happily married to the same woman, has three beautiful daughters, two of which have given him grandchildren. They all married normal-looking white American guys.

I have no idea what set him off on this path. What I can say is that it saddens me to no end to see somebody who I respected and looked up to go somewhat crazy.


42 posted on 10/03/2018 4:27:41 PM PDT by hoagy62 (America Supreme!)
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RE: just another boot spouting the old social gospel dogma

Where in the article does it clearly show that?


43 posted on 10/03/2018 4:45:55 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (look at Michigan, it will)
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s throughout the article.

“Social Gospel: Christian faith practiced as a call not just to personal conversion but to social reform.”

You don’t see it?


44 posted on 10/03/2018 5:26:23 PM PDT by Pelham (California, how mass immigration transforms America into Obamaland)
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RE: “Social Gospel: Christian faith practiced as a call not just to personal conversion but to social reform.”

That sentence is NOT in the article.


45 posted on 10/03/2018 7:58:10 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (look at Michigan, it will)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m a big fan of Keller, but I just can’t agree with him on this.

In a normal political setting, he would be right. But right now the political battle in this country is a manifestation of a cultural war, and even the cultural war itself is but a manifestation of a spiritual war.

The war is about whether America remains a country whose institution are committed toward individual liberty and traditional Christian values, or one that abandons those in favor a powerful secular state run by a self-appointed group of elites.

I don’t see how in a fight where that is at stake, how can a truly committed Christian not fall on one side against the other.

Keller is also being very erroneous (I will stop short of calling him disingenous) when he gives the example that racial equality as a “liberal issue” and traditional marriage as a “conservative issue” as his example of Christian values being neither left or right. The left doesn’t care about racial equality, or the poor for that matter, they use those issues to accrue power for themselves. Conservatives are the ones who actually want equality of opportunity for all.


46 posted on 10/03/2018 8:11:41 PM PDT by Truthsearcher
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m a big fan of Keller, but I just can’t agree with him on this.

In a normal political setting, he would be right. But right now the political battle in this country is a manifestation of a cultural war, and even the cultural war itself is but a manifestation of a spiritual war.

The war is about whether America remains a country whose institution are committed toward individual liberty and traditional Christian values, or one that abandons those in favor a powerful secular state run by a self-appointed group of elites.

I don’t see how in a fight where that is at stake, how can a truly committed Christian not fall on one side against the other.

Keller is also being very erroneous (I will stop short of calling him disingenous) when he gives the example that racial equality as a “liberal issue” and traditional marriage as a “conservative issue” as his example of Christian values being neither left or right. The left doesn’t care about racial equality, or the poor for that matter, they use those issues to accrue power for themselves. Conservatives are the ones who actually want equality of opportunity for all.


47 posted on 10/03/2018 8:11:41 PM PDT by Truthsearcher
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To: SeekAndFind

“That sentence is NOT in the article.”

No. And it doesn’t need to be, anymore than the word ‘Trinity’ needs to appear in the Bible in order for the substance of it to be there.

What I posted is a definition of the Social Gospel, and it applies to what Keller is doing. Evidently the history of the Social Gospel movement is terra incognita for you. It’s what he’s doing.


48 posted on 10/03/2018 8:37:09 PM PDT by Pelham (California, how mass immigration transforms America into Obamaland)
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