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Christian, What Do You Believe? Probably a Heresy About Jesus, Says Survey
Christianity Today ^ | 10/23/2018 | Jeremy Webber

Posted on 10/23/2018 11:25:09 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: Campion

I would call your “person,” beings. When we speak of “people,” your version says that will necessarily include God and the Holy Spirit. “People” is the plural of “person.”


61 posted on 10/23/2018 1:48:13 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: Campion
Also, Jesus was human and with frailties and therefore was a person and not an animal.
62 posted on 10/23/2018 1:50:11 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: ConservativeMind
Actually, "persons" is the plural of "person". If you're going to attach your own meanings to words, it rapidly becomes impossible to have any meaningful communication. This is a thread about theology, so the proper definition of "person" is the one theologians use. When people say "the Holy Spirit is a person," they are using the word the way I am using the word. They do not mean "the Holy Spirit is a human being".

"Being" is problematical anyway. A rock is a "being" (it exists), but it is not a "person" (according to the way theologians and philosophers use the word) because it has no rational nature.

63 posted on 10/23/2018 1:51:16 PM PDT by Campion ((marine dad))
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To: ConservativeMind

Jesus was a person before he became incarnate.


64 posted on 10/23/2018 1:51:48 PM PDT by Campion ((marine dad))
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To: Campion

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/people#

People is the plural of person, too.


65 posted on 10/23/2018 1:52:30 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: ConservativeMind
Sigh. It is not the plural of the term of art in theology and philosophy, which is what is relevant here. The Trinity is three Persons, not three "people".

I'm going to go pound my head against a different stone wall now, for a change.

66 posted on 10/23/2018 1:54:51 PM PDT by Campion ((marine dad))
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To: ConservativeMind
Sigh. It is not the plural of the term of art in theology and philosophy, which is what is relevant here. The Trinity is three Persons, not three "people".

I'm going to go pound my head against a different stone wall now, for a change.

67 posted on 10/23/2018 1:54:52 PM PDT by Campion ((marine dad))
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To: Campion

No, Jesus was a person the whole time He was on Earth. He was God in human form.


68 posted on 10/23/2018 1:55:29 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Sin is a state of being: the wages of sin is death. We all inherited sin and death.

Infants are sinners; infants are mortal. It has nothing to do with a specific, sinful deed.


69 posted on 10/23/2018 1:56:29 PM PDT by YogicCowboy ("I am not entirely on anyone's side, because no one is entirely on mine." - J. R. R. Tolkien)
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To: redairdog
I'm afraid your theology is just as bad as any, for lack of knowledge or proof.

Confusion is caused by contradiction and error in the bible.

The Holy Scriptures are inspired, infallible, inerrant, contrary to your opinion. Translations from them into another language are not inspired and can have errors in grammar and/or interpretation. Your analysis of God's Plan of Salvation is incomplete, and so is your description of how "the institutional church" interpret it. That's why there many such denominations differing in doctrine, let alone hundreds of independent unaffiliated assemblies.

If you are saved through the atoning sacrifice of the Son of God, — there is no judgment . . .

Your screed misses on this, also, completely.

"But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ" (Rom. 14:10 AV)

"For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body,
according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad" (2 Cor. 5:10 AV).

After the end of a believer's physical life, he/she will undergo judgment.

It looks like you need to take up Bible study more thoroughly with someone who knows how to disciple a baby Christian and can point you in the right direction before you get into more criticism matters.

70 posted on 10/23/2018 1:57:39 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: Campion

Again, I would say that more appropriately, the Trinity is God in three Beings or Entities. We say “Persons,” but neither that, nor “Beings,” nor the Trinity, are mentioned as such in the Bible. Persons are people, but we try to make it “convenient” to just call them persons, which I believe negates their true form.


71 posted on 10/23/2018 1:58:15 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: ConservativeMind

The Holy Spirit is not a human; the Holy Spirit is a person.

Similarly, the Father is not male; the Father is masculine.

C. S. Lewis is one lay philosopher who understood these things (better than many modern, so-called theologians).


72 posted on 10/23/2018 2:01:18 PM PDT by YogicCowboy ("I am not entirely on anyone's side, because no one is entirely on mine." - J. R. R. Tolkien)
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To: redairdog; metmom; Boogieman
"Confusion is caused by contradiction and error in the bible"

Wrong, Noob!

Confusion is caused by contradiction and error in MISINTERPRETATIONS of the [B]ible.

TXnMA
 

73 posted on 10/23/2018 2:06:37 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias. "Islam": Satan's invading army. "Muslims": Satan's useful idiots.)
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To: reed13k
Especially when some verses seem to indicate strongly that the Son is subservient to the Father.

If you haven't already encountered this, recognize that when The Son came to earth He set aside His co-equal status and placed himself in the position of being subservient to The Father, as a Son should be. But when He finished His earthly tasks as a servant of the Father and returned to Heaven, He resumed His former prerogatives as co-equal status. The Three are always in agreement, but some of their distinguishing functions and manifestations are different, indicating their Personality.

The scriptures recording His earthly ministry of fulfilling the Law Covenant refer to this period in which His subservience was a necessary feature. Don't confuse them with other passages in which He is not subservient, but rather co-equal with separate functional aspects.

I hope this viewpoint helps smooth out your perplexity.

74 posted on 10/23/2018 2:25:27 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: ConservativeMind
"He was God in human form"
Don't you mean, "He Is"?

or better yet "I Am"

Jesus is still alive...along with His body....

I feel, to be an honest Christian (of any denomination), one must accept that major tenets of Christianity are Mysteries ... and simply can't be "understood" or explained with our mere mortal brains... although, its real fun to try!

75 posted on 10/23/2018 2:29:25 PM PDT by xhrist ("You don't have a soul. You are a Soul. You have a body. " - C.S. Lewis)
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To: ConservativeMind
A person also has a physical body.

Not necessarily. Before God created, He Was. Space, time, and mass were artifacts of creation, and without them there was no possibility of a body, yet He Was. He, the Three Persons, exist separately from the Created. Though Jesus was God in a human body, when He arose, His body was spiritual, not subject to physical laws as yours and mine are.

76 posted on 10/23/2018 2:39:25 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: ConservativeMind
The Holy Spirit is not a person.

Umm, yes the Holy Spirit is a person, equal to and one with Jesus, who is a person, and God the Father, who is a person. All are one in Essence, but also "God in three persons." (as the hymn, "Holy, holy, holy" says).

The whole doctrine of the trinity is that God is one, in 3 persons. (Not human persons, yes, except for Jesus, but "persons" none-the-less.) The very concept of personhood is derived from the Christian understanding of the 3 persons of the holy trinity, God.

This is basic Christian orthodoxy, which all Christian groups have accepted since AD 381.

If you don't accept it, you're simply not an orthodox Christian.

77 posted on 10/23/2018 2:42:21 PM PDT by AnalogReigns (Real life is ANALOG...)
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To: AnalogReigns

No, Christianity has accepted that the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are to be called the “Trinity.”

The idea of God and the Holy Ghost being people is a much newer invention.

Neither calling them “people” or the “Trinity” are stated as such in anyone’s Bible translation.


78 posted on 10/23/2018 2:45:51 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: ConservativeMind
God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are all God in three forms.

So you're a Modalist, Sabellianist, Oneness Pentecostal?

79 posted on 10/23/2018 3:00:19 PM PDT by NoCmpromiz (John 14:6 is a non-pluralistic comment.)
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To: NoCmpromiz
No, I am a non-denominational Christian.

You do realize calling God three people, three forms, or three beings, is effectively the same from your perspective, right? My problem is with calling God and the Holy Spirit “people.”

80 posted on 10/23/2018 3:03:31 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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