Pope Francis Goes Full Homophobe [How the Gay Press is reporting it]

The Daily Beast ^ | 12.02.18 | Barbie Latza Nadeau

[Mrs. Don-o]

ROME—Remember back in 2013, shortly after Pope Francis was elected when he shocked the world with his words: “If a person seeks God and has goodwill, then who am I to judge,” when asked about a gay priest?

What was then seen to be a change in decades of dogma sent shockwaves around the world, landing the pontiff on the cover of Advocate and winning him praise among LGBTQ groups and lapsed Catholics. In some ways, Francis has been eating his words ever since, constantly called to explain by conservatives in the church what he meant.

Now it seems Francis isn't mincing his words on the topic. He told Spanish Claretian missionary Fernando Prado that in reality he's actually “very worried” about homosexuality in the church. Prado, whose book La Forza della Vocazione (The Strength of Vocation) comes out in multiple languages on Monday, spent four hours interviewing the pontiff in Vatican City this fall about problems in the priesthood. Italy's Corriere Della Sera newspaper excerpted parts of the book on Saturday.

When Prado asked Francis specifically about the high percentage of gays in the priesthood today, Francis became very judgemental indeed. He said that seminaries need to do better at weeding them out. “It's something that worries me,” he said, according to the excerpts. “We have to discern with seriousness and listen to the voice of the experience that the Church has. When discernment is not used, problems increase. As I said before, it may be that at the moment they are accepted maybe they do not show their faces [as gay], but later they appear.”

Francis, who has implied tolerance but never officially remarked that he approves of same sex marriages, has in the past said that Catholics should accept and welcome gay parishioners to the pews among them. But it seems that he doesn't want them behind the pulpit.

“The issue of homosexuality is a very serious matter that must be properly discerned from the beginning with the candidates,” he told the Spanish missionary. “We have to be demanding.”

Francis also said he worried that “in our societies it even seems that homosexuality is fashionable” then adding, “that mentality, in some ways, also influences the life of the Church.”

Francis has been accused of sending mixed messages about the issue of gay people in the church. In private conversations, such as the one with Juan Carlos Cruz, a Chilean victim of clerical sex abuse, he seems tolerant. According to Cruz, the pope told him, “You know Juan Carlos, that does not matter. God made you like this. God loves you like this. The Pope loves you like this and you should love yourself and not worry about what people say.”

But in public, the pontiff tends to toe the party line, keeping the door closed.

Francis told Prado a story about a conversation with a bishop, apparently scandalized, who came to him and said that there were several priests in his large diocese who were openly gay and asked if it was ok to let them be. “He himself doubted the question and asked me if there was something wrong with it,” Prado says the pope told him, according to the excerpts. “In short, he was saying, well, it's not that serious. It's just an expression of an affection.”

Then the pope grew serious. “This is a mistake,” the pope recalled telling the bishop. “It is not just an expression of affection. In the consecrated life and in the priestly life, there is no place for that kind of affection. For this reason, the Church recommends that people with this ingrained tendency not be accepted into the ministry or the consecrated life.”

And to those gay priests and nuns who are already ordained, Francis said this: “I say to the priests, gay religious men and women, we must urge you to live fully celibate and, above all, to be exquisitely responsible, trying not to scandalize your communities or the holy faithful people of God by living a double life. It is better that you leave the ministry or consecrated life rather than live a double life.”

[Mrs. Don-o]

Remember when Pope Francis was declared the LGBT "Person of the Year"?

Well,now he's being attacked by the Elgee-Beaty tribe. a step in the right direction.

I still think he's guilty of "praising with faint damns".

• He "recommends" that seminaries exclude gays, when he should *require* them to exclude them

• He "recommends" that active gays leave the priesthood and religious orders rather than lead a double life,instead of *requiring* this

• He implies that the problem is that this "scandalizes" the faithful, when the root problem is that it is a mortal sin to engage in this damnable practice of perverse sex, and this endangers their souls and those of others

• He implies that this is inappropriate (only?)for people under vows of celibacy, when actually it is outright forbidden for everyone, and

• He even obliquely applies the word "affection" to acts of gross perversion with only minor rebuke, when he *should* use the word "abomination".

If he's at a loss for words, he should refer to the Catechism (as good Catholics do!) and say that such acts are "acts of grave depravity," they are "intrinsically disordered," they "do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity," "under no circumstances can they be approved," and even a homosexual tendency or inclination is "intrinsically disordered."

The Catechism (LINK) is a good resource, Holy Father. It contains Scripture, Tradition, and the authentic Papal Magisterium. I'd look into it, if I were you.

But thanks for trying!

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So much for words, words, words.

P. Francis hasn't hesitated to sack whole religious orders for the crime of fidelity to the Latin Mass. Let's see if he fires any LGBT "allies" from his own elite cabinet, the G9 (hint: start with Rodriguez Maradiaga and Bernhard Marx) or if he suppresses any religious orders or "media personalities" which advocate for this perversion (like Fr. James Martin, LGBT.SJ).

I'd stand on my hands and clap my feet if that happened....I'm not holding my breath.

But do keep praying. This may be some Holy Spirit action here, almost like the Balaam Syndrome (Numbers 22-25), where the false prophet is pretty much forced by the Lord to say the right thing.

[G Larry]

"...the Church recommends that people with this ingrained tendency not be accepted into the ministry or the consecrated life.”

"recommends"?!?!?!?!?

How about FORBIDS!?!?!?!?!

[Red Badger]

1978:

Is the Pope Catholic?.................Are you nuts? Of course he is!

2018:

Is the Pope Catholic?.................Good question................

[Red Badger]

Well, you know, it goes along with those 10 Recommendations that Moses had made up....................

[treetopsandroofs]

“Francis, who has implied tolerance but never officially remarked that he approves of same sex marriages, has in the past said that Catholics should accept and welcome gay parishioners to the pews among them. But it seems that he doesn’t want them behind the pulpit.”

So said the early Boy Scouts “tolerant” appeasers.

[Sacajaweau]

Obviously, there is something wrong with the mechanism of the church. This man should not be the head of the Church.

[Zathras]

Sounds like to me Francis might be in trouble.
:-)

[NorthMountain]

How about FORBIDS!?!?!?!?!

Forbids is the correct term.

I observe that the laws of all 50 of these United States forbid murder, rape, and robbery.

[NorthMountain]

Catholics should accept and welcome gay parishioners and call them to REPENTANCE and CONVERSION.

[Mariner]

The Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter practices the Latin Mass without repercussion.

What entire orders has he “sacked”?

[HangnJudge]

..it would be better for priests who are actively gay
to leave rather than lead a double life

Would be best? Horrific understatement

[ealgeone]

Some of the pre-Vatican 2 Roman Catholics might question that.

[Red Badger]

I’m old, but I ain’t THAT old!..................

[Mrs. Don-o]

Pope Francis swatted

• Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate (FFI) because of their devotion to the Latin Mass

• the Little Sisters of Mary, Mother of the Redeemer for being "too classical" in their outlook, with "too much prayer"

• and the Knights of Malta where Pope Francis sacked their elected superior, suspended their constitution, and put his own minions in charge, in a convoluted controversy about funding "charities" which distributed condoms. In a manner previously unheard-of, Francis sacked the conservative head of an Order which had world-wide traditionalist links and had been orthodox in its beliefs but independent in its internal governance since the 11th century.

  This also involved the public humiliation of Cardinal Raymond Burke,the "patronus" of the Knights of Malta, a "dubia" cardinal and one of the most eminent of the traditionalist Catholics in the Church.

For all his blather about "listening" and "accompanying" and "collegiality" and "synodality" and all that, Pope Francis can turn on a dime and act like an utter despot if he thinks there's some conservative Catholics out there who need to be suppressed.

Francis' biggest coup --- still hardly remarked upon, though it's bloody obvious --- is that he's using the Chinese Communist Party as enforcers to suppress the faithful, traditionalist, underground Catholic Church in China.

[Mrs. Don-o]

" Forbids is the correct term... I observe that the laws of all 50 of these United States forbid murder, rape, and robbery."

The laws of all 50 of the states USED to forbid sodomy as well.

"Sodomy" is the LEGAL term (ya can look it up) for deviant intercourse.

[Mrs. Don-o]

I do not aggregate insider-baseball information on Chancery and Curial politics, but it has been posted (here at FR I think) that the Pope seemingly intends to corral all of the Traditional Rite Catholics into one ecclesiastic association or prelature as Step One in a Two-Step plan to
(1) get them separate from their respective Dioceses and (2) then clobber them.

Ah. Here.

They want to remove the individual right of priests to say the TLM so that we can only get the mass from their approved sources. A few years back when it seemed that the Vatican was close to reconciling with the SSPX, there was a rumor going around that if it happened, that all Traditional Mass communities would be rolled into the SSPX auspices, so that the SSPX would be the only place to get the traditional mass. The SSPX was intended to be the Honey Pot, the place to gather all the recalcitrant under one roof, where they lie in wait for the final blow. The SSPX did not fall for it, but I believe the plan remains the same.

I believe they intend to do away with Summorum Pontificum and its individual right of priests to say the mass and force all traditional Catholic into one or a few approved sources, perhaps the FSSP and the ICKSP or some juiced up Ecclesia Dei commission, if they can't close the deal on the SSPX.

Then, BOOM!

Actuating Schism: the Honey Pot

[piusv]

Anyone who falls for this is just a dang fool.

[NorthMountain]

Ask your son what the current definition is per UCMJ. I wonder if it has changed since I was briefed on the topic (eons ago).

[Mariner]

My parish, St. Stephen of Sacramento, is part of the FSSP.

Classic Latin Mass, Choir and all.

I guess this is one of the orders Pope intends as the “honey pot”? It will most certainly engender great anger should he close it down.

Most members would likely never return to another mass anywhere, ever.

[Mrs. Don-o]

UCMJ
925. ARTICLE 125. SODOMY
10. Punitive Articles

(a) Any person subject to this chapter who engages in unnatural carnal copulation with another person of the same or opposite sex or with an animal is guilty of sodomy. Penetration , however slight, is sufficient to complete the offense.

(b) Any person found guilty of sodomy shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.

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And still on the books, I think!