Skip to comments.No, Christmas is Not Pagan. Just Stop.
Posted on 12/07/2018 7:10:02 AM PST by Carpe Cerevisi
Well, its time for a good Christmas rant. This requires a rant, because every year, we see the same ignorant silliness. (Sorry, but its just true.) Supposedly, Christmas is secretly pagan, secretly syncretist, secretly a co-opting of pagan stuff and ignorantly claiming it to be Christian. But the truth about these things is so available that its literally staring out at you even from Wikipedia.
Well, if you are one of the people who says this stuff, Ive got a lot of problems with you people. Let the airing of grievances begin. (And its not even Festivus yet!)
Even if it isn’t connected to previous pagan festivals, there is still zero Biblical basis to ‘celebrate’ the birth of Christ on 12/25 or any other day. It’s nitpicking but the amount of idolatry involved is disturbing and not supported in any Gospel or epistle.
Christ was a Jew not a pagan.
It’s no more, or less, pagan than Halloween.
Putting a tree in your house sounds pretty pagan to me.
Well done !
Christmas (”Christ’s Mass” or “Celebration”) is just that — a celebration of the birth of Christ. Since the exact date of His birth is not known, an arbitrary date was chosen for the event. It is NOT the DAY we celebrate but the EVENT itself. And, more precisely, the salvation it brought — and continues to bring — to mankind.
The date itself is meaningless.
About 12/25, it's interesting. There was an old early Byzantine era belief (that I think originated among Arab Christians, but don't hold me to that) that anyone God ordained to be a prophet wound up dying on the anniversary of his conception (not birth). Since Jesus is perfect it was believed his mother was pregnant with Him exactly 9 months, not a day longer or shorter. And since they had a fair amount of certainty (they believed) for dating the day He was crucified (they believed 3/25), they did the math and came up with 12/25 for His birth. Since nobody else in the early European world could come up with a better date, 12/25 stuck in our western Christian culture.
I'm not saying we should all believe He was born on 12/25 like that today. I'm just saying it wasn't 100% pagan in origin or anything like that and 12/25 is as good as any day.
The holly bushes, fir trees, snow, sleighs, mistletoe, yule logs, reindeer ....were all there in the manger 2018 years ago.
I happen to agree. Christmas is no longer or has it been in ages about celebrating the birth of Christ himself. It is just one more 'pagan' holiday simply designed to make money off of His namesake.
Well this could become an endless debate.
Christmas is both things. It is a celebration of the birth of Christ, and a secular celebration.
I think we all agree that the Red-Nosed Reindeer have nothing to do with Christ.
I think we all agree that giving presents and receiving presents from loved ones, has nothing to do with Christ.
Yule logs and Christmas trees have nothing to do with Christ.
Everyone celebrates according to their own traditions and religious beliefs.
>> Even if it isnt connected to previous pagan festivals, there is still zero Biblical basis to celebrate the birth of Christ on 12/25 or any other day. <<
Yes there is. Mind you, it might not be the day of Christ’s physical birth, but it is a day Christ observed as the day when the Spirit of God indwelled among Man:
Many people miss the significance of the Feast of the Dedication, which occurs on the 25th of the month most similar to December (although usually a few weeks earlier). It’s the day Jesus declared that He was the Temple of God. It’s ALSO the day when the Jews believed that the Spirit of God descended from Heaven into the Temple. So it’s the day He chose to mark his incarnation. But whether it’s his birthday or not, Jesus observed the Feast of the Dedication (John 10:22).
Was it the day of his birth? Arguments that shepherds would not have been with their sheep in pasture have been nullified by an understanding of the effects of the Roman Warm Period. But there’s another biblical clue:
Nisan is the start of the liturgical year in the Hebrew calendar; indeed the start of the world. If Eve’s fertility cycle began with her creation, Nisan 15 when she was able to conceive. It was also the day of delivery from Egypt, of the passover, and, according to one of two conflicting calendars, the day Jesus died* and was “conceived” into Heaven, as ancient Christians called bodily death. This day of Christ’s death was observed in the ancient Church as March 25. (Due to divergence of Julian and Gregorian calendars, it’s now April 6 on Western calendars.) But this was NOT Good Friday; that day moved in the calendar in relation to Passover, of course.. Rather, it was celebrated as the day of Jesus’ conception. And December 25 is nine months later.
[* Questions about the timing of passover? Curiously, the FIRST Temple seems to have been dedicated on Nisan 14 (”And the children of the captivity kept the passover upon the fourteenth day of the first month.” — Ezra 6:17) Thus, Jesus followed a biblical precedent by celebrating Passover on the 14th in the Last Supper and on the 15th in the Crucifixion. Should we have expected Jesus to be born on the Feast of Sukkot? When the Temple was rededicated, the passages which establish the Feast of the Dedication, 1 Maccabees 4 and 2 Maccabees 1, depict it as a delayed celebration of the Feast of Sukkot.]
Too bad none of the Pilgrim Founders are left on Earth. We could ask them their opinion on this question.
Of course, we know what their answer would be.
True, true and true! Then there is the proximity to the winter solstice which is at the core of pagan worship.
Passover began in AD 30 on April 7, according to the Gregorian calendar. However, this was March 25 according to the Julian calendar, which now trails the Gregorian calendar by 13 days. Hence, Christmas (December 25) is celebrated on what we call January 7 by the Eastern churches.
On the other hand "Christmas" is an opportunity to talk about the birth of Jesus to people and it is offensive to heathens. So that makes it useful to Christians to give witness to the reason for the joy in their hearts.
>> True, true and true! Then there is the proximity to the winter solstice which is at the core of pagan worship. <<
It’s pure myth that the Latin feast of Saturnalia was on Dec. 25, or even the winter solstice. It was on Dec. 17. Dies Natalis Sol Invictus was celebrated on Dec. 25, but it was created only three centuries AFTER Jesus’ death.
I don’t see how anyone can assert Christmas is not pagan. And it is a degraded materialistic, debauched affront to our Lord put forward as a counterfeit by the Enemy.
...decorating evergreens is in the Bible?
Yule logs? Mistletoe?
What was the exact date of the birth of Christ anyway?
Whyd they choose three days after the winter solstice?
With all due respect, you are acting manner "not supported by any Gospel or epistle", as you say.
What the heck are you doing here?
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