Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Is Saving the Earth More Important than Saving Souls? (10 Commandments of Progressive Christianity)
Canon Fodder ^ | January 2, 2019 | Michael J. Kruger

Posted on 01/18/2019 5:58:36 AM PST by Gamecock

Here is the next thread in this series. I will be posing them in descending order, starting with #10.

If you would like to be on or off of this ping list please let me know!

____________________________________________________________
_________________

Over the past year, I have slowly worked my way through my series on “The 10 Commandments of Progressive Christianity.” It’s an examination of 10 core tenets of progressive (or liberal) Christianity offered by Richard Rohr, but really based on the book by Philip Gulley.

We finally come to the tenth and last “commandment” of progressive Christianity and this one is a classic: “Life in This World is More Important than the Afterlife.”

It’s hard to imagine a statement that better captures the ethos of progressive Christianity than this one. It marks a profound pivot away from matters eternal and toward matters earthly. Let’s not worry ourselves about what happens after death, we are told, because no one knows anyway. All that matters is helping the poor, feeding the hungry, and relieving human suffering.

This commandment marks a fitting end to the series because it embodies (in a single statement) many of the values of liberal Christianity pointed out by J. Gresham Machen many years ago. Here are a few of them:

Prioritizing the Horizontal over the Vertical

For progressive Christians, humans have a real problem. But it’s not that they are rebellious sinners who have offended a holy God. Rather, the problem for humanity is that there is suffering, war, poverty and disease.

In other words, human problems are defined in purely horizontal terms (the way humans relate to the world or to fellow humans), and not in vertical terms (the way man relates to God).

As a result, the highest ideal of progressive Christianity can be nothing other than fixing present, temporal problems. For them, speaking of eternity is a distraction at best, and a waste of time at worst.

Thus, Gulley laments the church’s “preoccupation” (175) and “overemphasis” (176) on the afterlife and how “fortunes are spent saving people from the imaginary dangers of imaginary places” (184).

Preaching Moralism not Salvation

If there’s no eternity to worry about, then what should humans focus on? Well doing good works, of course. Helping our fellow man. The hallmark of progressive Christianity is a deep commitment to being “good” and doing “good” things.

Gulley states, “If the Church were Christian, we would do what Jesus did–equip one another to live better in this world and stop fretting about the next one” (184).

Of course, anyone familiar with the teachings of Jesus should find this statement genuinely stunning. Jesus was quite concerned with the next world and spoke of it often. Consider just one example: “Do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both body and soul in hell” (Matt 10:28).

If there is no hell, no sin, no judgment, then progressive Christianity has no other option than to become a moralistic religion.

Claiming Uncertainty While Espousing Certainty

At the core of Gulley’s argument is the belief that hell isn’t real. “I decided not to invest any effort in saving people’s souls from a hell I didn’t believe in” (181).

Indeed, Gulley repeatedly states that hell isn’t real throughout the chapter. He is banking his eternal fate (as well as the fate of others) on this conviction.

But, how does he know this? Missing from Gulley’s argument is any reason to think he could know such a thing. He just states his claim without any basis to back it up.

The irony of such a claim is that Gulley actually positions himself as the humble seeker, uncertain of his beliefs. “I’ve not yet arrived at a definitive understanding of God and I don’t suspect I ever will” (182).

This highlights one of the most notable trends in progressive Christianity: Claim uncertainty on the front end, but then smuggle your own certain convictions through the back door.

In the end, Gulley’s final commandment is a masterpiece of progressive Christianity. It downplays doctrine for morality, focuses on man instead of God, and claims uncertainty while all the while being very certain.

Sadly, this entire affair clouds the real message of Christianity; the real message of Jesus. For the record, Jesus cared about the sufferings of humans. And he has called Christians to do the same. But, we don’t address human suffering as an act of moralism. But, as a response to the grace shown to us at the cross.

Moreover, we don’t address temporal human suffering only. Even if we could alleviate all human suffering, that would not, in the end, meet humanity’s greatest need. As Jesus reminds us, “For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his soul?” (Matt 16:26).


TOPICS: Current Events; General Discusssion
KEYWORDS:
Previous threads from this series:

New Series: The 10 Commandments of Progressive Christianity

1 posted on 01/18/2019 5:58:36 AM PST by Gamecock
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: ConservativeMind; Lee N. Field; suzyjaruki; lupie; Diapason; panzerkamphwageneinz; Alex Murphy; ...

Ping


2 posted on 01/18/2019 5:58:52 AM PST by Gamecock (In church today, we so often find we meet only the same old world, not Christ and His Kingdom. AS)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Gamecock
Gulley states, “If the Church were Christian, we would do what Jesus did–equip one another to live better in this world and stop fretting about the next one”

Did he somehow miss the entire point of Jesus coming to earth in the first place?

3 posted on 01/18/2019 6:04:36 AM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith......)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Gamecock

Many have mistaken humanism for Christianity, and therefore the god of this world for the God of heaven. Some false teachers will say Jesus was a socialist, and pull a few Bible verses out of context to make it appear so. They end up replacing God with human governments as the only way to feed the poor, save the planet, ensure economic equality, all the worldly things that matter in this life but not the next.


4 posted on 01/18/2019 6:23:59 AM PST by Telepathic Intruder
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Gamecock

According to the humanism, the answer is yes. That is because humanism (and its religious sibling, liberal Christianity) downplays the spiritual aspect of human beings - that we are spiritual beings in a material world. Instead, the biological aspects are emphasized, and so obviously, saving the earth is more important than saving souls, because “souls” are superstitious, non-scientific nonsense, as opposed to tangible, scientific entities like anatomy and biology, in that way of thinking.


5 posted on 01/18/2019 7:14:19 AM PST by nwrep
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Gamecock

Thanks for posting these. I’d like to be on the Ping list, please.


6 posted on 01/18/2019 7:20:06 AM PST by Cincinnatus.45-70 (What do DemocRats enjoy more than a truckload of dead babies? Unloading them with a pitchfork!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: nwrep

It’s Gnosticism, the great enemy of out faith.


7 posted on 01/18/2019 7:27:55 AM PST by cowboyusa (America Cowboy Up)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: cowboyusa

I don’t think so. Humanism is the greater enemy.


8 posted on 01/18/2019 7:31:13 AM PST by nwrep
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: nwrep

But, humanism is a form of Gnosticism, that says the Universe created itself.


9 posted on 01/18/2019 7:32:42 AM PST by cowboyusa (America Cowboy Up)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Gamecock
Atheists and liberals sure do like to make fun of people for believing the earth is the center of the universe.

Meanwhile, they behave as if they believe this a million times more than any Fundamentalist could. It's like they think if life on earth were to vanish the whole universe would cease to exist.

10 posted on 01/18/2019 7:33:53 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (What has Athens to do with Jerusalem?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Gamecock

No, savings souls is more important.

We have to remember that God is in control of our temporary surroundings.


11 posted on 01/18/2019 9:37:16 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Gamecock

No. Next question.

JoMa


12 posted on 01/18/2019 10:02:18 AM PST by joma89
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Gamecock

Dennis Prager, “Exodus: God, Slavery and Freedom: The Rational Bible.”


13 posted on 01/18/2019 11:46:31 AM PST by onedoug
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Gamecock
It's a progressive stupid question. The Earth will be fine. It doesn't need saving. It's seen much much worse than humans, and will again. Saving souls is the easy answer.

And this tripe doesn't help their case at all:

If the Church were Christian, we would do what Jesus did–equip one another to live better in this world and stop fretting about the next one.

F'reals?

14 posted on 01/18/2019 3:06:26 PM PST by numberonepal (WWG1WGA)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Gamecock

#10 commandment of progressive Christianity


15 posted on 02/01/2019 11:47:55 AM PST by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson