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SSPX SILENCES WITNESSES
Church Militant ^ | 8-3-2020 | Christine Niles

Posted on 08/04/2020 9:05:29 AM PDT by MurphsLaw

SSPX SILENCES WITNESSES

by Christine Niles
ST. MARYS, Kansas (ChurchMilitant.com) - The Society of St. Pius X (SSPX) is discouraging its members from speaking privately to investigators, even as a criminal investigation into sex abuse cover-up is underway.

Fr. Scott Gardner
In a recent letter authored by U.S. District bursar Fr. Scott Gardner obtained by Church Militant, the priest warns the St. Marys, Kansas community against speaking with the Kansas Bureau of Investigation (KBI) without a lawyer present.

The KBI has been investigating the SSPX, along with all Catholic dioceses in Kansas, for at least a year as part of its criminal probe into clergy sex abuse and cover-up. "If approached, decline to speak to them without an attorney present," Gardner insists, going on to offer his email as well as that of SSPX attorney Dan Lane. "If you have already spoken to law enforcement, please let us know right away." Gardner accuses the KBI of speaking with priests, staff and employees of St. Marys "without our legal staff being present," claiming that investigators "have already ignored this warning."

Church Militant reached out to the KBI for a response to the allegation but received no response as of press time. There is no legal requirement for state investigators to inform attorneys when questioning witnesses. Witnesses are free to speak with law enforcement with or without lawyers present, and thus critics see the letter as further evidence of the SSPX's heavyhanded tactics to control and direct the investigation, and prevent witnesses from offering potentially incriminating information. The letter effectively bans witnesses from speaking privately with law enforcement.Tweet "[Y]ou are always entitled to have legal representation at any interview, and all Priests, staff, and employees must insist on this if contacted," Gardner orders. The letter effectively bans witnesses from speaking privately with law enforcement, and prevents them from sharing incriminating information with investigators. Requiring that an SSPX attorney be present necessarily avoids the possibility of witnesses from sharing confidential information that could expose knowledge of abuse or cover-up, as the SSPX attorney exists not to protect witnesses' rights, but rather to protect the SSPX. The tenor of the letter stands in stark contrast to the SSPX's promises o

The tenor of the letter stands in stark contrast to the SSPX's promises of "transparency" and "accountability" stated on its website, and instead appears as an attempt to clamp down on communications with the KBI.

Several SSPX priests are currently under criminal investigation in Kansas, including Fr. Ramon Angles, former chaplain at St. Marys, alleged to have raped Michael Gonzalez when he was an adolescent. Gonzalez left written letters naming Angles as his abuser, and also told multiple family members, five of whom have spoken with the KBI. Gonzalez committed suicide in 2000. In spite of the grave abuse allegations, the SSPX is not conducting its own investigation of Angles, who remains the top canonical advisor to the Society and has even crafted the SSPX's child protection policy. He resides in the palatial Villa Grifoni Sant'Angelo in Castel Gabbiano, Cremona, Italy. Fr. Pierre Duverger (L) and Fr. Marc Vernoy Father Pierre Duverger, a priest formerly assigned in Kansas City, Missouri who is now principal of a school in Sanford, Florida, is also under criminal investigation. Several young women have leveled accusations of sexual assault and misconduct against Duverger. While not a victim of abuse, Jassy Jacas was the first whistleblower to step forward and expose SSPX abuse cover-up. She reported Duverger's grooming behavior in 2018, and was assured by Fr. Jurgen Wegner, U.S. district superior, that severe restrictions had been placed on Duverger, including banning him from hearing women's confessions or conducting retreats with women. This claim turned out to be false, after Jacas saw a poster at an SSPX parish advertising a retreat led by Duverger for men and women, with women making up around 50% of retreatants. Wegner also admitted to Jacas that the SSPX never conducted an investigation into her allegations or those brought by other alleged victims, in spite of having known about them for years.

In fact, at least one SSPX priest admitted in writing that they had been made aware of allegations against Fr. Duverger going back more than a decade. In an email dated Dec. 14, 2019, Fr. Hervé de la Tour admits to Jacas, "We know of several victims already," clarifying in a later email that the allegations go back as early as 2007 or 2008. We know of several victims already.Tweet Shortly after Church Militant's April 22 Spotlight breaking the news of the KBI's investigation of the SSPX, the website for St. Thomas More Priory in Florida released a statement falsely claiming Duverger was not under investigation, and also falsely claiming he had been completely exonerated by the SSPX of all wrongdoing. After Church Militant reported on the falsehoods contained in the statement, the statement vanished from the website — although local sources confirm Fr. Marc Vernoy, prior at the chapel, continued to distribute hard copies of the statement to the SSPX community. Jacas confirmed that approximately eight priests are under criminal investigation by the KBI.

The full letter from Fr. Scott Gardner follows: It has come to our attention that certain law enforcement officers may be in and around St. Marys, conducting interviews regarding an investigation of Priests, staff, and employees of St Marys and/or the District. In particular, KBI has already been warned that they are NOT to contact any Priest, staff, or employee without our legal staff being present. They have already ignored this warning, and it is likely that they will continue to do so until they are sanctioned by the courts. We remind you of your Constitutional rights concerning any interview conducted by law enforcement. You are not required to speak to them just because they ask you to or make veiled threats against you or tell you that, if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear. Further, you are always entitled to have legal representation at any interview, and all Priests, staff, and employees must insist on this if contacted. You will be provided with legal representation by SSPX. If approached, decline to speak to them without an attorney present, email me [email redacted] and call our legal counsel Dan Lane at [number redacted]. If you have already spoken to law enforcement, please let us know right away. Thank you for your cooperation in this serious matter. In Christo, Fr. Scott Gardner United States District Bursar


TOPICS: Catholic
KEYWORDS: antipope; fakenews; homosexualagenda; popefrancis; romancatholicism

1 posted on 08/04/2020 9:05:29 AM PDT by MurphsLaw
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To: MurphsLaw

Nothing like transparency. If it walks like a cover-up and talks like a cover-up then it’s probably a cover-up.


2 posted on 08/04/2020 9:07:28 AM PDT by BipolarBob (The cost of abortion is a human sacrifice.)
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To: MurphsLaw

Telling people to have an attorney present when being questioned by the police is not “silencing” them. It’s good sense.


3 posted on 08/04/2020 9:08:00 AM PDT by Seruzawa (TANSTAAFL!)
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To: MurphsLaw
"Runnin with devil" maybe a song title..... but it sure seems like it is something inescapable...for some...

At least those "heathen" Japanese knew when to fall on their swords....
4 posted on 08/04/2020 9:10:11 AM PDT by MurphsLaw (“In nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti...Amen.”)
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To: MurphsLaw

It’s typical you would recommend suicide, an unforgivable mortal sin.


5 posted on 08/04/2020 10:22:26 AM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

Only God decides what sins are unforgiveable. Suicide is more complex than black/white thinkers can understand.


6 posted on 08/04/2020 11:48:56 AM PDT by Marchmain (Salve Regina)
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To: Marchmain
Jesus Christ on Judas, who comitted suicide: "It would have been better for that man if he had not been born".

Looks black and white to me.

7 posted on 08/04/2020 11:56:52 AM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide
It’s typical you would recommend suicide, an unforgivable mortal sin.

I knew deflection was coming from you about this SSPX deal - but not so frivolous....
What part of "heathen" that I made sure to include that are you unsure of its meaning? and where did I say I recommended Hari Kari for the SSPX Samurai??

It was an obvious analogy for those who must come to terms with being "honorable"- or those who "should recognize dishonor".... how one manifests that dishonor is certainly variable, and it appears the SSPX here are refusing even the easiest honorable thing to do...

but you are trying to attribute words to what I have written which do not exist and are false- as I would never recommend suicide as a solution .... heathen or otherwise...but for you to insinuate against me is not honorable... and ... a sin against Commandment #8 ....

And you should further be aware that the majority of suicides are committed by those who are struggling with a mental illness... certainly you would not condemn them to an eternal hell if the were mentally deficient in some capacity or another.... please clarify that. Mental illness is not a choice...
8 posted on 08/04/2020 1:52:14 PM PDT by MurphsLaw (“In nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti...Amen.”)
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To: ebb tide

Not really, here’s another interpretation, Judas was condemned to hell not for suicide, but his betrayal of our Lord.


9 posted on 08/04/2020 2:07:16 PM PDT by Marchmain (Salve Regina)
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To: Marchmain
Not really, here’s another interpretation, Judas was condemned to hell not for suicide, but his betrayal of our Lord.

Always the interpreter, huh? Nothing is "black and white"; not the Ten Commandments, not the Bible and definitely not the sacred VC II.

10 posted on 08/04/2020 2:54:19 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: MurphsLaw
What deflection? I was simply addressing your idiotic comment that pre-judged “guilt”, per you and Niles, was inescapable and suicide was an option.
11 posted on 08/04/2020 3:09:13 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: Marchmain; ebb tide
Nope, not because of betrayal. Per Haydock Catholic Bible Commentary (Matthew 27:5):

To his first repentance succeeded fell despair, which the devil pursued to his eternal destruction. If the unhappy man had sought true repentance, and observed due moderation in it, (by avoiding both extremes, presumption and despair) he might have heard a forgiving Master speaking to him these consoling words: I will not the death of a sinner, but rather that he may be converted and still live. Origen.

12 posted on 08/04/2020 3:29:02 PM PDT by piusv (Francis didn't start the Fire)
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To: piusv
Is your quote from this Origen as well:?? Same guy ?

”The question of universalism—, is perennially agitated in the Christian tradition. A notable proponent of that view was the great Origen, who, in the third century, set forth a theologically and philosophically complex doctrine of “Apocatastasis” according to which all creatures, including the devil, will be saved.

It ticks me off that the Purists out there force me to play their stupid game....
13 posted on 08/04/2020 9:21:05 PM PDT by MurphsLaw (“In nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti...Amen.”)
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To: MurphsLaw
Origen isn't infallible and certainly can be wrong about things (even canonized saints were at times), but the Origen quote is taken from a nineteenth century Catholic Bible Commentary with a Church imprimatur... and is therefore free from doctrinal error. In addition, I have yet to find any traditional Catholic Bible commentary that disagrees.
14 posted on 08/05/2020 3:59:00 AM PDT by piusv (Francis didn't start the Fire)
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