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Pope urged to admit common ground
BBC News UK online ^ | Tuesday, 4 November 2008 | Robert Pigott

Posted on 11/04/2008 8:44:32 AM PST by biscuit jane

When 138 senior Muslim scholars and clergy tried to establish the common ground between Islam and Christianity last year, they said the very peace of the world hung on the outcome.

On Tuesday, a high-ranking delegation is beginning a rare visit to Rome in an effort to persuade the Pope to endorse what they say are the shared origins and values of the world's two biggest religions.

Their letter, A Common Word, cited passages from the Koran which the scholars said showed that Christianity and Islam worship the same God, and require their respective followers to show each other particular friendship.

The document examined fundamental doctrine and stressed what it said were key similarities - such as the belief in one God and the requirement for believers to "love their neighbours as themselves".

(Excerpt) Read more at news.bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Israel; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: islam; pope; submission
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1 posted on 11/04/2008 8:44:34 AM PST by biscuit jane
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When 138 senior Muslim scholars and clergy tried to establish the common ground between Islam and Christianity last year, they said the very peace of the world hung on the outcome.

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2 posted on 11/04/2008 8:46:48 AM PST by Brian S. Fitzgerald
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Muslims said:

“...they said the very peace of the world hung on the outcome.”


Well that says everything about Islam now doesn’t it ?


3 posted on 11/04/2008 8:47:28 AM PST by biscuit jane (NO OBAMA)
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Their letter, A Common Word, cited passages from the Koran which the scholars said showed that Christianity and Islam worship the same God, and require their respective followers to show each other particular friendship.

Do the Muslims believe Jesus Christ is God?

This is a non-starter.

4 posted on 11/04/2008 8:48:41 AM PST by Brian S. Fitzgerald
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“Their letter, A Common Word, cited passages from the Koran which the scholars said showed that Christianity and Islam worship the same God, and require their respective followers to show each other particular friendship.”


Christians are not REQUIRED to do anything per the Koran.
If Muslims were honest about getting along with us then they can start by ceasing to force their ALLAH on us !


5 posted on 11/04/2008 8:50:50 AM PST by biscuit jane (NO OBAMA)
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the requirement for believers to "love their neighbours as themselves".

Then why is it that everywhere Islam comes face to face with another faith there is bloodshed?

6 posted on 11/04/2008 8:50:54 AM PST by johniegrad (Free Republic Powerhouse)
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To: biscuit jane
This is like comparing a puppy to Godzilla. Both are animals, both raise great emotional reactions. But one is a real thing offering real benefits, and the other is a make-believe monster with no foothold on reality that brings death.
Destroy All Monsters!

7 posted on 11/04/2008 8:51:59 AM PST by Infidel Puppy
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To: Brian S. Fitzgerald
While Islam is Abrahamic in nature, there are fundamental differences in their understanding of God and his interaction with man. A God that would willingly subject himself to torture and death to redeem all of mankind is so foreign to Islam's understanding of God.

But we should still seek out our common ground without compromsing Truth. I have no worries about the Pope. He will do what is right and based on revealed Truth.

8 posted on 11/04/2008 8:52:28 AM PST by CWW (Palin & Jindal in 2012!!)
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To: biscuit jane
and require their respective followers to show each other particular friendship.

We've been showing that ... we're waiting on you to return the favor.

9 posted on 11/04/2008 8:52:49 AM PST by al_c (Avoid the consequences of erudite vernacular utilized irrespective of necessity)
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Ibrahim Kalin says the Christian belief in Jesus as part of a divine trinity with God the Father and the Holy Spirit conflicts with Muslim doctrine.

"The Trinity is currently not accepted by Muslims as explaining the infinity and oneness of God," said Dr Kalin.

"We don't agree on that, so we shouldn't try to sink these differences into a warped theology, but talk to each other on the basis of agreeing to disagree."


10 posted on 11/04/2008 8:53:28 AM PST by Brian S. Fitzgerald
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Sorry, but anyone who is familiar with the Bible knows that Christianity is the “fulfillment” of the Hebrew prophecies. Traditionally, Christians believe that everything in the Old Testament is true—sometimes literally, in the case of historical events, sometimes fuguratively in various ways.

The orthodox understanding is that the Jewish prophecies and histories have not been superseded, but fulfilled. Jesus is the Messiah promised by God to the Jews.

Understandably, Jews do not agree with all of that. But the two Testaments can be reconciled. They agree on facts, such as the dispensation of the Ten Commandments to Moses or God’s choice of Isaac and Jacob as the heirs to Abraham.

Islam simply CANNOT be reconciled with the Bible, either Jewish OR Christian. It is full of fictions and distortions. What these Imams are requesting of the Pope is impossible. Yes, it would be good to have a dialogue, but first it must be recognized what the problems are.

And this is just one of them, unfortunately. The most basic problem, as the Pope suggested earlier at Regensberg, is that Muslims do not believe in the underlying importance of rationality. In their view, faith and reason CANNOT be reconciled. John’s vision of Christ as Logos is inconceivable to them. Theirs is an irrational religion and an irrational universe, totally arbitrary, and therefore not allowing free will or human understanding.


11 posted on 11/04/2008 8:54:44 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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Sorry to say this but my prediction is that Muslims will kill The Pope. Not right now, maybe not this Pope but within about 40 years time they will assassinate a Pope.


12 posted on 11/04/2008 8:55:41 AM PST by biscuit jane (NO OBAMA)
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Would this mean that Christians would have to start chopping off the heads of little school girls as part of their religion like muslims do?


13 posted on 11/04/2008 8:55:57 AM PST by San Jacinto
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“When Good chooses to compromise with Evil, Evil always wins.”
14 posted on 11/04/2008 8:56:04 AM PST by xcamel (Conservatives start smart, and get rich, liberals start rich, and get stupid.)
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Odd. I thought that the Pope has already said that we share an Abrahamic faith with muslims. He is trying to establish a common ground and dialog for getting along better in this world.

He also believes that our (Catholics at least) respective respect for Mary will help in the dialog too.


15 posted on 11/04/2008 8:58:24 AM PST by Patriotic1 (Dic mihi solum facta, domina - Just the facts, ma'am)
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When the Pope hesitated, they threatened to cut off his head. If I were the Pope, I would say, when I see the first church open it's doors in Mecca, come talk to me.
16 posted on 11/04/2008 8:58:41 AM PST by NavVet ( If you don't defend Conservatism in the Primaries, you won't have it to defend in November)
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That’s why the Russians had to get that Bulgarian Muslim to shoot John Paul II.


17 posted on 11/04/2008 8:58:54 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: San Jacinto
America has dealt with Muslims since the time of the Barbary Pirates. Nothing has changed. Official Christianity suffers the same impass until accomodation is forced on them by some 'ecumenical overlord.'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_pirates

In 1786, Thomas Jefferson, then the ambassador to France, and John Adams, then the ambassador to Britain, met in London with Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja, the ambassador to Britain from Tripoli. The Americans asked Adja why his government was hostile to American ships, even though there had been no provocation. The ambassador's response was reported to the Continental Congress:

It was written in their Koran, that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every mussulman who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to paradise. He said, also, that the man who was the first to board a vessel had one slave over and above his share, and that when they sprang to the deck of an enemy's ship, every sailor held a dagger in each hand and a third in his mouth; which usually struck such terror into the foe that they cried out for quarter at once. [14]

18 posted on 11/04/2008 9:03:55 AM PST by Brian S. Fitzgerald
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When 138 senior Muslim scholars and clergy tried to establish the common ground between Islam and Christianity last year, they said the very peace of the world hung on the outcome

What common ground?
Christians do not marry children
Christians do not teach children how to be homicide bombers to blow up other children
Christians do not relagate women to 3 class citizen status.
Christians do not stone their women to death when they are gang raped by a bunch of men.
Nor do they kill their women to restore “honor” to a man
Christians would like to convert others to Christianity while Muslim prefer to slaugther anyone and ebveryone that is not already a Muslim.
Does Not seem to be much common ground here.


19 posted on 11/04/2008 9:06:03 AM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Vote FOR AMERICA . Vote McCain / Palin SAVE OUR NATION FROM THE DESTROYERS)
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What media calls “common ground” looks more like “strong arming”.

The Catholic Church is Apostolic and has a very clear Creed. There’s not a lot of grey area for conjecture.

The harder Islam tries to sway, negotiate, and even intimidate the Vatican, the worse off Islam will be. Islam should surrender to Jesus Christ—He who did not quench a smoldering wick, who did not break a bruised reed.


20 posted on 11/04/2008 9:11:55 AM PST by SaltyJoe (Pro Life from conception to natural death)
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