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  • Why Was God So Angry At King David For Taking A Census? (or, why is data mining a sin?)

    10/18/2018 1:17:15 AM PDT · 12 of 12
    RoosterRedux to Sontagged

    Bkmk

  • Far Eastern Russian Airport Could be Renamed for St. Innocent of Alaska

    10/18/2018 1:02:53 AM PDT · 4 of 4
    Ciexyz to marshmallow

    Commendable that Russia is looking to its past history to honor religious leaders.

  • Why Was God So Angry At King David For Taking A Census? (or, why is data mining a sin?)

    10/17/2018 11:33:48 PM PDT · 11 of 12
    Jonty30 to Sontagged

    The Census wasn’t the problem. It is what he was trying to do with it, shoring up his support through favouritism.

  • Why Was God So Angry At King David For Taking A Census? (or, why is data mining a sin?)

    10/17/2018 11:14:04 PM PDT · 10 of 12
    Nifster to Sontagged

    The USs NOT Israel...We are not led by David....

    Jesus fulfilled the Law. Live by grace

  • Why Was God So Angry At King David For Taking A Census? (or, why is data mining a sin?)

    10/17/2018 11:08:27 PM PDT · 9 of 12
    Sontagged to BenLurkin

    God showed that old Babylonian King in Daniel 2 just how it will all come down... with rejoicing.

    The good guys win in the end!

  • Why Was God So Angry At King David For Taking A Census? (or, why is data mining a sin?)

    10/17/2018 11:04:52 PM PDT · 8 of 12
    BenLurkin to Sontagged

    Was never an “the end is near” type of guy until recently, and now the end seems to be very near.

  • Why Was God So Angry At King David For Taking A Census? (or, why is data mining a sin?)

    10/17/2018 11:02:03 PM PDT · 7 of 12
    Sontagged to BenLurkin
    Pretty sure we need to be minding our p’s and q’s before the 2nd Coming/Armageddon/New Jerusalem/New Earth happens...!

    Was recently marveling with a friend about how God showed the entire history of the world and the New Earth/God's Kingdom come to earth to King Nebuchadnezzar...

    I always forget that He showed it to the formerly crazy old Nebuchadnezzar instead of Daniel! https://lifehopeandtruth.com/prophecy/understanding-the-book-of-daniel/daniel-2/

  • Why Was God So Angry At King David For Taking A Census? (or, why is data mining a sin?)

    10/17/2018 10:58:53 PM PDT · 6 of 12
    HiTech RedNeck to BenLurkin

    The only Christian analogy to the nation of Israel is the church, and that with some things transformed. Maybe churches that score how well they do by how many pew seats they fill, rather than how well the gospel is lived, might be an analogy here.

  • Why Was God So Angry At King David For Taking A Census? (or, why is data mining a sin?)

    10/17/2018 10:54:12 PM PDT · 5 of 12
    Sontagged to HiTech RedNeck

    Thanks that was an interesting and thoughtful response...

  • Why Was God So Angry At King David For Taking A Census? (or, why is data mining a sin?)

    10/17/2018 10:49:47 PM PDT · 4 of 12
    BenLurkin to Sontagged

    When the time comes that all of the U S belongs again to God, then we’d all better mind our ps and qs.

  • Why Was God So Angry At King David For Taking A Census? (or, why is data mining a sin?)

    10/17/2018 10:46:43 PM PDT · 3 of 12
    HiTech RedNeck to Sontagged

    This would have been a sin of pride on King David’s part, a statement before God that these people were David’s. The devil wanted David to do it so he would sin. God permitted the devil’s desire to tempt David to show him where he needed to repent.

    Does it carry over to representative republics such as the USA. I would say no it does not carry over directly for it depends on motive.

  • Why Was God So Angry At King David For Taking A Census? (or, why is data mining a sin?)

    10/17/2018 10:42:41 PM PDT · 2 of 12
    Sontagged to pastorbillrandles; Albion Wilde

    Somehow have been equating the problem of companies and the government data-mining us with the sin of King David in numbering his people and soldiers...

    Would be interested in your thoughts.

  • Why Was God So Angry At King David For Taking A Census? (or, why is data mining a sin?)

    10/17/2018 10:39:44 PM PDT · 1 of 12
    Sontagged
    Had a discussion tonight about why it is evil for the State or corporations to data-mine us and store all our information on the "cloud" or a big computer somewhere... it is somehow related to the evil God saw in King David for numbering his soldiers and numbering and counting the people for a census.

    To quote the article: "As to why God was angry at David, in those times, a man only had the right to count or number what belonged to him. Israel did not belong to David; Israel belonged to God...."

  • Catholic Caucus: Daily Mass Readings, 10-18-18, FEAST, St. Luke, Evangelist

    10/17/2018 10:09:01 PM PDT · 6 of 6
    Salvation to All
    Scripture readings from the Jerusalem Bible by Darton, Longman & Todd

    Readings at Mass

    Liturgical Colour: Red.


    First reading
    2 Timothy 4:10-17 ©
    Only Luke is with me
    Demas has deserted me for love of this life and gone to Thessalonika, Crescens has gone to Galatia and Titus to Dalmatia; only Luke is with me. Get Mark to come and bring him with you; I find him a useful helper in my work. I have sent Tychicus to Ephesus. When you come, bring the cloak I left with Carpus in Troas, and the scrolls, especially the parchment ones. Alexander the coppersmith has done me a lot of harm; the Lord will repay him for what he has done. Be on your guard against him yourself, because he has been bitterly contesting everything that we say.
      The first time I had to present my defence, there was not a single witness to support me. Every one of them deserted me – may they not be held accountable for it. But the Lord stood by me and gave me power, so that through me the whole message might be proclaimed for all the pagans to hear; and so I was rescued from the lion’s mouth.

    Responsorial Psalm
    Psalm 144(145):10-13a,17-18 ©
    Your friends, O Lord, make known the glorious splendour of your reign.
    All your creatures shall thank you, O Lord,
      and your friends shall repeat their blessing.
    They shall speak of the glory of your reign
      and declare your might, O God.
    Your friends, O Lord, make known the glorious splendour of your reign.
    They make known to men your mighty deeds
      and the glorious splendour of your reign.
    Yours is an everlasting kingdom;
      your rule lasts from age to age.
    Your friends, O Lord, make known the glorious splendour of your reign.
    The Lord is just in all his ways
      and loving in all his deeds.
    He is close to all who call him,
      who call on him from their hearts.
    Your friends, O Lord, make known the glorious splendour of your reign.

    Gospel Acclamation cf.Jn15:16
    Alleluia, alleluia!
    I chose you from the world
    to go out and bear fruit,
    fruit that will last,
    says the Lord.
    Alleluia!

    Gospel Luke 10:1-9 ©
    Your peace will rest on that man
    The Lord appointed seventy-two others and sent them out ahead of him, in pairs, to all the towns and places he himself was to visit. He said to them, ‘The harvest is rich but the labourers are few, so ask the Lord of the harvest to send labourers to his harvest. Start off now, but remember, I am sending you out like lambs among wolves. Carry no purse, no haversack, no sandals. Salute no one on the road. Whatever house you go into, let your first words be, “Peace to this house!” And if a man of peace lives there, your peace will go and rest on him; if not, it will come back to you. Stay in the same house, taking what food and drink they have to offer, for the labourer deserves his wages; do not move from house to house. Whenever you go into a town where they make you welcome, eat what is set before you. Cure those in it who are sick, and say, “The kingdom of God is very near to you.”’
  • Catholic Caucus: Daily Mass Readings, 10-18-18, FEAST, St. Luke, Evangelist

    10/17/2018 10:06:37 PM PDT · 5 of 6
    Salvation to All

    From: Luke 10:1-9

    The Mission of the Seventy Disciples


    [1] After this the Lord appointed seventy others, and sent them on ahead of Him,
    two by two, into every town and place where He Himself was about to come.
    [2] And He said to them, “The harvest is plentiful, but the laborers are few; pray
    therefore the Lord of the harvest to send out laborers into His harvest. [3] Go your
    way; behold, I send you out as lambs in the midst of wolves. [4] Carry no purse,
    no bag, no sandals; and salute no one on the road. [5] Whatever house you enter,
    first say, ‘Peace be to this house!’ [6] And if a son of peace is there, your peace
    shall rest upon him; but if not, it shall return to you. [7] And remain in the same
    house, eating and drinking what they provide, for the laborer deserves his wages;
    do not go from house to house. [8] Whenever you enter a town and they receive
    you, eat what is set before you; [9] heal the sick in it and say to them, “The King-
    dom of God has come near to you.”

    *********************************************************************************************
    Commentary:

    1-12. Those who followed our Lord and received a calling from Him (cf. Luke 9:
    57-62) included many other disciples in addition to the Twelve (cf. Mark 2:15).
    We do not know who most of them were; but undoubtedly some of them were
    with Him all along, from when Jesus was baptized by John up to the time of His
    ascension —for example, Joseph called Barrabas, and Matthias (cf. Acts 1:21-
    26). We can also include Cleopas and his companion, whom the risen Christ
    appeared to on the road to Emmaus (cf. Luke 24:13-35).

    From among these disciples, our Lord chooses seventy-two for a special as-
    signment. Of them, as of the Apostles (cf. Luke 9:1-5), He demands total de-
    tachment and complete abandonment to divine providence.

    From Baptism onwards every Christian is called by Christ to perform a mission.
    Therefore, the Church, in our Lord’s name, “makes to all the laity an earnest ap-
    peal in the Lord to give a willing, noble and enthusiastic response to the voice of
    Christ, who at this hour is summoning them more pressingly, and to the urging
    of the Holy Spirit. The younger generation should feel this call to be addressed
    in a special way to themselves; they should welcome it eagerly and generously.
    It is the Lord Himself, by this Council, who is once more inviting all the laity to
    unite themselves to Him ever more intimately, to consider His interests as their
    own (cf. Philippians 2:5), and to join in His mission as Savior. It is the Lord who
    is again sending them into every town and every place where He Himself is to
    come (cf. Luke 10:1). He sends them on the Church’s apostolate, an apostolate
    that is one yet has different forms and methods, an apostolate that must all the
    time be adapting itself to the needs of the moment; He sends them on an apos-
    tolate where they are to show themselves His cooperators, doing their full share
    continually in the work of the Lord, knowing that in the Lord their labor cannot be
    lost (cf. 1 Corinthians 15:58)” (Vatican II, “Apostolicam Actuositatem”, 33).

    3-4. Christ wants to instill apostolic daring into His disciples; this is why He says,
    “I send you out”, which leads St. John Chrysostom to comment: “This suffices to
    give us encouragement, to give us confidence and to ensure that we are not afraid
    of our assailants” (”Hom. on St. Matthew”, 33). The Apostles’ and disciples’ bold-
    ness stemmed from their firm conviction that they were on a God-given mission:
    they acted, as Peter the Apostle confidently explained to the Sanhedrin, in the
    name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, “for there is no other name under heaven by
    which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12).

    “And the Lord goes on,” St. Gregory the Great adds, “Carry no purse, no bag,
    no sandals; and salute no one on the road.’ Such should be the confidence the
    preacher places in God that even if he is not provided with the necessities of life,
    he is convinced that they will come his way. This will ensure that worry about pro-
    viding temporal things for himself does not distract him from providing others with
    eternal things” (”In Evangelia Homiliae”, 17). Apostolate calls for generous self-
    surrender which leads to detachment; therefore, Peter, following our Lord’s com-
    mandment, when the beggar at the Beautiful Gate asked him for alms (Acts 3:2-
    3), said, “I have no silver or gold” (”ibid.”, 3:6), “not so as to glory in his poverty”,
    St. Ambrose points out, “but to obey the Lord’s command. It is as if he were sa-
    ying, ‘You see in me a disciple of Christ, and you ask me for gold? He gave us
    something much more valuable than gold, the power to act in His name. I do not
    have what Christ did not give me, but I do have what He did give me: In the name
    of Jesus Christ, arise and walk’ (cf. Acts 3:6)” (”Expositio Evangelii Sec. Lucam,
    in loc”.). Apostolate, therefore, demands detachment from material things and it
    also requires us to be always available, for there is an urgency about apostolic
    work.

    “And salute no one on the road”: “How can it be”, St. Ambrose asks himself,
    “that the Lord wishes to get rid of a custom so full of kindness? Notice, however,
    that He does not just say, ‘Do not salute anyone’, but adds, ‘on the road.’ And
    there is a reason for this.

    “He also commanded Elisha not to salute anyone he met, when He sent him to
    lay his staff on the body of the dead child (2 Kings 4:29): He gave him this order
    so as to get him to do this task without delay and effect the raising of the child,
    and not waste time by stopping to talk to any passerby he met. Therefore, there
    is no question of omitting good manners to greet others; it is a matter of remo-
    ving a possible obstacle in the way of service; when God commands, human
    considerations should be set aside, at least for the time being. To greet a per-
    son is a good thing, but it is better to carry out a divine instruction which could
    easily be frustrated by a delay (”ibid.”).

    6. Everyone is “a son of peace” who is disposed to accept the teaching of the
    Gospel which brings with it God’s peace. Our Lord’s recommendation to His di-
    sciples to proclaim peace should be a constant feature of all the apostolic ac-
    tion of Christians: “Christian apostolate is not a political program or a cultural al-
    ternative. It implies the spreading of good, ‘infecting’ others with a desire to love,
    sowing peace and joy” (St. J. Escriva, “Christ Is Passing By”, 124).

    Feeling peace in our soul and in our surroundings is an unmistakable sign that
    God is with us, and a fruit of the Holy Spirit (cf. Galatians 5:22): “Get rid of these
    scruples that deprive you of peace. What takes away your peace of soul cannot
    come from God. When God comes to you, you will feel the truth of those gree-
    tings: My peace I give to you..., peace I leave you..., peace be with you..., and
    you will feel it even in the midst of troubles” (St. J. Escriva, “The Way”, 258).

    7. Our Lord clearly considered poverty and detachment a key feature in an apos-
    tle. But He was aware of His disciples’ material needs and therefore stated the
    principle that apostolic ministry deserves its recompense. Vatican II reminds us
    that we all have an obligation to contribute to the sustenance of those who gene-
    rously devote themselves to the service of the Church: “Completely devoted as
    they are to the service of God in the fulfillment of the office entrusted to them,
    priests are entitled to receive a just remuneration. For ‘the laborer deserves his
    wages’ (Luke 10:7), and ‘the Lord commanded that they who proclaim the Gos-
    pel should get their living by the Gospel’ (1 Corinthians 9:14). For this reason,
    insofar as provision is not made from some other source for the just remunera-
    tion of priests, the faithful are bound by a real obligation of seeing to it that the
    necessary provision for a decent and fitting livelihood for the priests are avai-
    lable” (Vatican II, “Presbyterorum Ordinis”, 20).

    *********************************************************************************************
    Source: “The Navarre Bible: Text and Commentaries”. Biblical text from the
    Revised Standard Version and New Vulgate. Commentaries by members of
    the Faculty of Theology, University of Navarre, Spain.

    Published by Four Courts Press, Kill Lane, Blackrock, Co. Dublin, Ireland, and
    by Scepter Publishers in the United States.

  • Catholic Caucus: Daily Mass Readings, 10-18-18, FEAST, St. Luke, Evangelist

    10/17/2018 10:06:00 PM PDT · 4 of 6
    Salvation to All

    From: 2 Timothy 4:9-17b

    News and Messages


    [9] Do your best to come to me soon [, Timothy], [10] [f]or Demas, in love with
    the present world, has deserted me and gone to Thessalonica; Crescens has
    gone to Galatia, Titus to Dalmatia. [11] Luke alone is with me. Get Mark and
    bring him with you; for he is very useful in serving me. [12] Tychicus I have sent
    to Ephesus. [13] When you come, bring the cloak that I left with Carpus at Tro-
    as, also the books, and above all the parchments. [14] Alexander the copper-
    smith did me great harm; the Lord will requite him for his deeds. [15] Beware of
    him yourself, for he strongly opposed our message. [16] At my first defense no
    one took my part; all deserted me. May it not be charged against them! [17] But
    the Lord stood by me and gave me strength to proclaim the word fully, that all
    the Gentiles might hear it.

    *********************************************************************************************
    Commentary:

    9-18. In his letters St Paul often asks people to do things for him; his messages
    here are particularly moving, given as they are on the eve of his martyrdom. He
    is following the example of Christ: he puts his trust in God even though his friends
    desert him (vv. 10-12, 16); his enemies harass him more than ever, yet he forgives
    them (vv. 14, 16); in the midst of his sufferings he praises the Lord (v. 18). His
    mention of Thessalonica, Galatia, Dalmatia, Ephesus, Troas, Corinth and Miletus
    show how warmly he remembers places which were very receptive to the Christian
    message. These few verses constitute a mini-biography.

    His generosity of spirit is shown by the fact that he mentions so many disciples
    by name; to all he gave of his best; some of them fell by the wayside but most of
    them stayed faithful; some are mentioned in the Acts of the Apostles or in other
    letters, but for others this is the only mention in the New Testament. However, all
    without exception must have been very present to the Apostle who became “all
    things to all men, that I might by all means save some” (1 Cor 9:22).

    10. Demas was one of St Paul’s companions during his first Roman imprisonment
    (cf. Col 4:14; Philem 24); but now, when the Apostle is near to death and in a har-
    sher prison than before, he has left him alone.

    “That passage of the Second Episode to Timothy makes me shudder, when the
    Apostle laments that Demas had fallen in love with the present world and gone to
    Thessalonica. For a trifle, and for fear of persecution, this man, whom St Paul had
    quoted in other epistles as being among the saints, had betrayed the divine enter-
    prise. I shudder when I realize how little I am: and it leads me to demand from my-
    self faithfulness to the Lord even in situations that may seem to be indifferent —
    for if they do not help me to be more united to Him, I do not want them” (St. J.
    Escriva, “Furrow”, 343).

    13. The cloak he refers to was a sleeveless cape used for protection against rain
    and cold. The “books” were probably less important documents usually written on
    sheets of papyrus, whereas the parchments would probably have contained more
    important texts, such as Sacred Scripture. This message does indicate that St
    Paul was fond of study and reading. And the fact that the letter goes into details
    like this speaks in favor of its being written by Paul.

    16-17. St Paul points to the contrast between the way men treat him and the way
    God does. Because of the hazards involved in staying with Paul or defending him,
    some of his friends, even some of his closest friends, have deserted him; whereas
    God stays by his side.

    “You seek the company of friends who, with their conversation and affection, with
    their friendship, make the exile of this world more bearable for you. There is no-
    thing wrong with that, although friends sometimes let you down. But how is it you
    don’t frequent daily with greater intensity the company, the conversation, of the
    great Friend, who never lets you down?” (St. J. Escriva, “The Way”, 88).

    *********************************************************************************************
    Source: “The Navarre Bible: Text and Commentaries”. Biblical text from the
    Revised Standard Version and New Vulgate. Commentaries by members of
    the Faculty of Theology, University of Navarre, Spain.

    Published by Four Courts Press, Kill Lane, Blackrock, Co. Dublin, Ireland, and
    by Scepter Publishers in the United States.

  • Catholic Caucus: Daily Mass Readings, 10-18-18, FEAST, St. Luke, Evangelist

    10/17/2018 10:01:55 PM PDT · 3 of 6
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  • Catholic Caucus: Daily Mass Readings, 10-18-18, FEAST, St. Luke, Evangelist

    10/17/2018 10:01:16 PM PDT · 2 of 6
    Salvation to All

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  • Catholic Caucus: Daily Mass Readings, 10-18-18, FEAST, St. Luke, Evangelist

    10/17/2018 10:00:09 PM PDT · 1 of 6
    Salvation
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  • Pray For the Peace of Jerusalem(10/17/18)[Prayer]

    10/17/2018 9:46:21 PM PDT · 21 of 21
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