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To: wcdukenfield; 1Old Pro; 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub; a_federalist; abner; Angus_Day; AnnaZ...
'Bout time!
6 posted on 01/03/2002 7:57:57 AM PST by editor-surveyor
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To: editor-surveyor
Let's Roll!
7 posted on 01/03/2002 8:00:16 AM PST by Flyer
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To: editor-surveyor
One may well presume that these groups have used tax money for their advocacy possibly disguised as education. They do not give a rats behind about sensible envirornmental policy only about getting more.

Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown

10 posted on 01/03/2002 8:09:56 AM PST by harpseal
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To: editor-surveyor
Thanks for the ping.

The FOIA requests were prompted by an October article in The Sacramento Bee that alleged that since 1998, $400 million in federal grants have gone to environmental groups to further their political agendas.

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12 posted on 01/03/2002 8:23:46 AM PST by mrustow
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To: editor-surveyor
Thanks for the ping.
14 posted on 01/03/2002 8:28:32 AM PST by farmfriend
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To: editor-surveyor;holdonnow
I'm glad to see someone investigating this. Let 'em raise their own money, not extort & extract it from us!
19 posted on 01/03/2002 8:38:18 AM PST by backhoe
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Ping! Sometimes the only ones going to the government trough are activists who lean more toward the environmentalist wacko position. I think groups like eco-logic need to come forward and counter them. So do the conservationists.
24 posted on 01/03/2002 9:00:52 AM PST by mafree
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To: editor-surveyor
Thanks for the heads up, good article
26 posted on 01/03/2002 9:20:15 AM PST by Cuttnhorse
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The 'about time' comment is correct. Several years ago, Insight magazine ran a story about how various groups were receiving $$$$ from the fedgov, i.e., a lot of the environuts, that group that is a seniors' group, etc.

Only worse than the giving of our money to any of these groups is the ARROGANT REFUSAL TO PROVIDE ACCOUNTING!!

29 posted on 01/03/2002 9:54:13 AM PST by Rowdee
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To: editor-surveyor
Amen!
30 posted on 01/03/2002 10:55:05 AM PST by goodieD
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To: editor-surveyor;Mudboy Slim
"Landmark sources also say they suspect federal agencies are not tracking how the money is used. The legal foundation says it was forced to file suit against EPA, the Interior Department's Bureau of Land Management and the Agriculture Department's Forest Service when the agencies did not respond to FOIA requests filed in October 2001. The legal foundation is expected to file a similar suit in the next few weeks against the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service."

Question for you, e-s?
Could it be these departments are so infested with Leftist activists posing as bureaucrats that the Bush Administration actually is intimidated by the potential for political suicide if they were to intervene visa vi Ashcroft's Justice Department?
The entire matter has a peculiar smell about it which I cannot quite put my finger on, is why I ask.
This doesn't even begin to square.

...are the fed liviathon bureaucratic inmates running the Federal penitentiary, here; or, is this by design?

32 posted on 01/03/2002 11:16:54 AM PST by Landru
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To: Editor-surveyor, snopercod, Rowdee, philman_36
(A belated) thanks for the ping, editor-surveyor.

The legal foundation says it was forced to file suit against EPA, the Interior Department's Bureau of Land Management and the Agriculture Department's Forest Service when the agencies did not respond to FOIA requests filed in October 2001.

Translation: Our taxpayer dollars are funding a representative republic in which the laws passed by our elected representatives are being arrogantly ignored by high-level federal agencies.

Conclusion: The federal government has become so corrupt, and has declared itself so immune to Constitutional rule, that it believes it may ignore its own laws at will (provided the ignoring is for a good leftist cause).

Solution: The American public needs to get out from in front of its televisions/video games/sports events/rock concerts and start paying attention to the fact that its hard-earned, easily-siphoned-by-Big-Brother money is being used (unconstitutionally) to fund insidious programs whose sole purpose is to bring our republic down.

Chance of solution coming to pass: About the same as the survival of a snowball in hell.

At press time, none of the three agencies had responded to the FOIA request, but one source at the LLF says EPA has been most willing to at least look at what information it could provide.

You don't suppose this source at the LLF expected that particular comment to mollify those of us who would like to hold the spenders of our taxpayer dollars accountable? That comment is tantamount to saying, 'Joanie's financial records have been subpoenaed in conjunction with the embezzlement case which has been filed against her, and she has been kind enough to at least peruse them and consider handing them over.'

The EPA has a history of fighting to prevent Mark Levin from obtaining documentation (Carol Browner's deleted files being probably the most overt....the remainder being marked by simple arrogant obfuscation). One of the standby excuses (usually accompanied by surprised hand-wringing) for leftists in government who risk getting caught with their hands in the cookie jar are claims of ignorance or incompetence. If the public is vigilant, and if they seek to be good stewards of their tax money, there comes a time when a mountain of ignorance and incompetence begins to look more like deliberate obstruction. And where there is deliberate obstruction there is something to hide. If the Clinton years taught us nothing else, it should have taught us that.

Yes, the corruption is entrenched. But we haven't yet reached the point in this country where a good dose of public outrage won't at least have the corruptors thinking twice before thumbing their noses at us as they spend our own dollars on programs that will kill us. Trouble is, the American public doesn't appear to be capable of summoning the energy for outrage against anything less heinous than 9/11. Our outrage threshold needs to be lowered significantly, or, when we finally do summon the energy, we may find that outrage is no longer allowed.

53 posted on 01/06/2002 6:00:39 PM PST by joanie-f
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