Posted on 05/15/2018 6:59:48 PM PDT by Simon Green
Do we really need to say it? “A man was clobbered by a stranger during a robbery on a Bronx sidewalk — as at least six passersby watched but did nothing to help, surveillance video released by police Tuesday shows.”
The surveillance footage, released by authorities Tuesday morning, shows the individual boisterously yelling at his 49-year-old victim. The video later cuts to footage of the victim being thrown to the ground from out of the camera’s view.
The attacker begins yanking the knapsack from the 49-year-old victim’s back while repeatedly hitting the man’s head, snatching his wallet, and then fleeing — all as witnesses stroll by, the video shows.
Why didn’t the victim or any of the passersby on the street do a thing to help? OK, we’ll say it. This is what happens to a disarmed populace. And we’ll get more of this as efforts to disarm gun owners and make gun ownership more difficult and expensive advance in various states.
When you have no experience with combat, you say stupid things.
We forgive you.
Sort of.
In a reasonable jurisdiction, though (i.e. not including NY or other viciously gun-grabbing states) what about the reasonable man test? If a reasonable man reasonably believed that deadly force was needed to halt grievous injury or death of another, how would it shake out if, in fact, the “thug” was an officer and the “gentleman” was a felon. My first thought is that police would self-identify under the circumstances. My second is that police are always armed, so they’re not going to beat the crap out of somebody when they could detain them at gunpoint.
Third thought: If the officer has already won the fight, he won’t continue trashing the suspect.
Brazil shows how to handle this.
I promise you that when the victim recovers with minor injuries you are going to prison.
"...reasonable person..."
Boom....I was nearby that day (`1964)...I swore that if I ever had the chance to “save” her, I would. I am now almost 70 years old, but I am ready. On any given day, I carry, have a knife, a good pepper spray + my own training. So far, from 1964, I have not yet avenged Kitty, but I hope I do, for the right reasons. If not that specifically, something that is good & righteous. I have drawn on two occasions for effect, but that was for personal defense, not for “Kitty” or my wife. I have 15 rounds on on board. I am prepared. My vehicle has another 300.
Whole lotta people here who wouldn’t survive a week living in NYC.
Daytime city violence is almost always for-cause. The random violence is a nighttime activity.
For all any observer knew, the attacker was retaliating against someone who just attempted to abduct his little sister, or it was a black market deal gone bad, or any of a thousand other situations where it would be a bad idea for any non-law-enforcement third party to get involved.
The one time in NYC that I saw a situation that appeared on its face to genuine justify physical intervention against an attacker, the attacker turned out to be a federal agent, as was the guy he shot.
"...the attacker turned out to be a federal agent, as was the guy he shot..."
Ah, make the heart yearn for New York. NOT!!
Really? Have you been watching lately. Cops shoot dogs, kids, women, crawling men ..... cops should die painfully - ok only the 90 percent that give the 10 percent a bad name.
Not my circus, not my monkeys.
It depends on the victim. Mostly I’d assume it’s a gang thing and keep walking. In the Bronx you mind your own business if you want to live to make it back to your apartment.
Are you in an unarmed city? These people were.
I don’t understand your comment.
Not surprising.
You do not have the education to evaluate it.
You are forgiven anyway.
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