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Trump to address ‘Libertarian Party concerns’ at group’s national convention
The New York Post ^ | 05/01/2024 | Ictor Nava

Posted on 05/02/2024 5:20:28 AM PDT by thegagline

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Some of the potential issues that the Libertarian Party may discuss with Trump are:

Bump stock ban, reauthorizing FISA in 2018, Operation Warp Speed, indictment of Julian Assange re Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, signing legislation that increased the national debt by $7.8 trillion dollars.

1 posted on 05/02/2024 5:20:28 AM PDT by thegagline
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To: thegagline

Get ready for the hate...


2 posted on 05/02/2024 5:23:36 AM PDT by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: thegagline

total open borders...because “anyone should be able to cross the border regardless of whether the government approves”


3 posted on 05/02/2024 5:26:15 AM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: thegagline

What was the Reagan quote? “The core of conservatism is libertarianism?”

That’s not quite right, but the idea.

Now, there’s a huge difference between small-l libertarian and big-L libertarian.


4 posted on 05/02/2024 5:28:41 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Sometimes There Is No Lesser Of Two Evils)
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To: thegagline

You can support the Obama/Biden totalitarian dictatorship and world government.
Or you can support the guy who believes in individual rights and freedom.

The Libertarian Party is perplexed and really trying to puzzle this one out.


5 posted on 05/02/2024 5:30:21 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (It's not "Quiet Quitting" -- it's "Going Galt".)
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To: thegagline
I think it's smart to do this.

Trump is talking with a block of potential voters.

Biden can't do anything that's not a pre-written, pre-staged kabuki theater dance.

6 posted on 05/02/2024 5:30:27 AM PDT by airborne (Thank you Rush for helping me find FreeRepublic! )
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To: thegagline
I am surprised that they invited Trump. This will be very interesting. I worked at their recent national event in Reno. A lot of crazies, crackpot ideas like ranked choice, legalizing all drugs, abortion, etc.

They have around two dozen prospective presidential nominees. Are they going to entertain endorsing Trump instead? If not, having him at the convention risks diluting their brand, their candidate. Very interesting.

7 posted on 05/02/2024 5:32:31 AM PDT by Reno89519 (If Biden is mentally unfit to stand trial, he is mentally unfit to be president. He needs to resign.)
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To be fair many Libertarians don’t support open borders as long as we have a welfare state (for obvious reasons).


8 posted on 05/02/2024 5:39:51 AM PDT by jimwatx
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To: thegagline

As I understand Libertarianism, they broadly want less govt. interference, which Trump will deliver.

Quibble about the specifics and risk Biden removing what precious freedoms we presently have.


9 posted on 05/02/2024 5:42:47 AM PDT by chiller (Davey Crockett said: "Be sure you're right. Then go ahead'. I'll go ahead.)
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Broadly want less government interference

Nice in the abstract, we all want less government.

But look at what this group of crazies is actually actively promoting: ranked choice voting, no drug laws, no abortion restrictions, open borders, legalize prostitution, etc.

10 posted on 05/02/2024 5:48:45 AM PDT by Reno89519 (If Biden is mentally unfit to stand trial, he is mentally unfit to be president. He needs to resign.)
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To: MeanWestTexan

“Now, there’s a huge difference between small-l libertarian and big-L libertarian.”

Exactly right. There are the adult libertarians and the infant libertarians. But not unlike Republicans.


11 posted on 05/02/2024 5:51:59 AM PDT by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: Reno89519
I worked at their recent national event in Reno

Nice!

Do you think Michael Rectenwald has a chance of securing the Libertarian Party nomination?

In the past, I supported Ron Paul, Harry Browne, Bob Barr, and (cough, cough) Gary Johnson who, despite his penchant for copious amounts of cannabis, was a better choice for president than Romney.

12 posted on 05/02/2024 5:53:27 AM PDT by thegagline (Sic semper tyrannis! Goldwater & Thomas Sowell in 2024)
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“”””What was the Reagan quote? “The core of conservatism is libertarianism?”””””

LOL, in that 1977 libertarian interview that opening statement was typical Reagan looking to connect with the audience and disarm them, he then proceeded in that interview to sell conservatism and try to educate the libertarians on the excesses of their beliefs and why conservatism was the true path.


13 posted on 05/02/2024 6:00:18 AM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: Republican Wildcat

Saying that Libertarians support open borders is like saying Republicans support endless regime change wars.

Yes, there are some who do and some who don’t but most importantly, the ones who don’t are currently driving the party.

Look up the Mises Caucus and Dave Smith. They are now setting the agenda of the LP and it is not open border at all. And not just from a practical standpoint. On YouTube there are hours of theoretical and philosophical debates around the issue among LP members.


14 posted on 05/02/2024 6:00:26 AM PDT by nitzy (I wonder if the telescreens in 1984 were first called "free Obamascreens")
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To: jimwatx

“”””To be fair many Libertarians don’t support open borders as long as we have a welfare state (for obvious reasons).””””

ROTFL
End welfare and handouts FIRST, and then we will talk about the political goal to remove the concept of a border and fire the Border Patrol and allowing the entire world to move here.


15 posted on 05/02/2024 6:03:32 AM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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“””””Saying that Libertarians support open borders is like saying Republicans support endless regime change wars.”””””

Nonsense, one is just a silly attack from the left and the other is an official party position.

Libertarian position on Immigration
COMPLETE PLATFORM TEXT
INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS AND CIVIL ORDER

IMMIGRATION:
“”The Issue: We welcome all refugees to our country and condemn the efforts of U.S. officials to create a new “Berlin Wall” which would keep them captive. We condemn the U.S. government’s policy of barring those refugees from our country and preventing Americans from assisting their passage to help them escape tyranny or improve their economic prospects.

The Principle: We hold that human rights should not be denied or abridged on the basis of nationality. Undocumented non-citizens should not be denied the fundamental freedom to labor and to move about unmolested. Furthermore, immigration must not be restricted for reasons of race, religion, political creed, age or sexual preference. We oppose government welfare and resettlement payments to non-citizens just as we oppose government welfare payments to all other persons.

Solutions: We condemn massive roundups of Hispanic Americans and others by the federal government in its hunt for individuals not possessing required government documents. We strongly oppose all measures that punish employers who hire undocumented workers. Such measures repress free enterprise, harass workers, and systematically discourage employers from hiring Hispanics.

Transitional Action: We call for the elimination of all restrictions on immigration, the abolition of the Immigration and Naturalization Service and the Border Patrol, and a declaration of full amnesty for all people who have entered the country illegally.””


16 posted on 05/02/2024 6:06:04 AM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: ansel12

Where is that text from?


17 posted on 05/02/2024 6:07:31 AM PDT by nitzy (I wonder if the telescreens in 1984 were first called "free Obamascreens")
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To: ansel12
Party planks do not represent individual policy. This is true for Republicans, Democrats, and Libertarians.

Ron Paul for example, “ “No amnesty,” “No welfare to illegal aliens. End birthright citizenship. No more student visas from terrorist nations.”

18 posted on 05/02/2024 6:13:55 AM PDT by thegagline (Sic semper tyrannis! Goldwater & Thomas Sowell in 2024)
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To: thegagline

“”””Party planks do not represent individual policy. This is true for Republicans, Democrats, and Libertarians.
Ron Paul for example, “ “No amnesty,” “No welfare to illegal aliens. End birthright citizenship. No more student visas from terrorist nations.”””””

Well duh, is the response to the first part, no platform can fit 80 million people perfectly but when a party’s entire history is pushing a determined position, then believe it.

As far as the professional politician Ron Paul, nothing he said disagrees with the party platform and post 16.


19 posted on 05/02/2024 6:20:02 AM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: thegagline; ansel12

Ron Paul’s views in that quote are actually closer to the current Libertarian Party plank than the current Republican Party plank.

The section of text that ansel12 posted is old. That is not what it says here…

https://lp.org/platform

I will assume it was just an honest mistake on his part.


20 posted on 05/02/2024 6:20:14 AM PDT by nitzy (I wonder if the telescreens in 1984 were first called "free Obamascreens")
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