[Utopia]

I've been inside the beast. I know what's its like. MS does not believe in QA or testing. The most shocking thing I encountered was the total lack of engineering discipline.

[Bush2000]

I've been inside the beast. I know what's its like.

Where, exactly, did you work?

MS does not believe in QA or testing.

That's interesting. I'll have to inform some of my friends at M$ that work in QA that they're just figments of M$'s imagination. /SARCASM

The most shocking thing I encountered was the total lack of engineering discipline.

You really don't know what you're talking about. I'd be surprised if you were anything other than an entry level guy that washed out...