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Trump Is Unlikely to Abandon Ukraine—and Might Dangerously Escalate the War
The Wall Street Journal ^ | May 9, 2024 | Michael Kimmage

Posted on 05/11/2024 7:40:54 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican

If re-elected, would Donald Trump end U.S. support for Ukraine? He certainly sounds as if he would. On the campaign trail, he routinely describes Ukraine as a burden to the U.S. and declares his eagerness to see the war end, which he promises to achieve through negotiations in a mere 24 hours. Trump has also made clear his admiration for Vladimir Putin and dismissive attitude toward the European Union. Many observers worry that once back in office, he would condone, tacitly or even directly, Russia’s efforts to dominate Ukraine.

But it wouldn’t be an easy move for Trump to make, and there is reason to believe that his rhetoric on Ukraine is more political bluster than plan of action.

Trump’s dislike of Ukraine has many sources. It stems in part from his first impeachment trial in 2019, when he was charged with interfering in the 2020 election by putting pressure on Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to announce an investigation of Joe Biden. The subsequent war in Ukraine has provided ammunition for one of Trump’s longstanding foreign policy complaints: that the U.S. does too much and Europe too little for Europe’s security. He has even suggested that the U.S. wouldn’t come to the defense of allies who don’t do their share for NATO. And of course there is the politics of aid to Ukraine: Democrats champion Ukraine and revile Russia, inspiring some in Trump’s orbit to do the opposite—to make Russia a synonym for strong leadership and to decry Ukraine as corrupt and parasitical.

Against this backdrop, it is instructive to scrutinize Trump’s actual record on Russia and Ukraine. Much of what he said about the two countries on the campaign trail in 2016 had little or no bearing on the actions he took as president.

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To: where's_the_Outrage?

Trump isn’t a warmonger. He will negotiate an end to stop the dying.

You will never see him do anything that would cause a nuclear war.


41 posted on 05/12/2024 3:39:37 AM PDT by dforest ( )
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To: Judge Bean

Israel can get a better deal on US Weapons from the Taliban.


42 posted on 05/12/2024 4:35:06 AM PDT by MMusson
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To: where's_the_Outrage?
“Get out now”

What do you meant by this?

43 posted on 05/12/2024 4:40:41 AM PDT by thefactor
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To: MinorityRepublican

Here we go again.


44 posted on 05/12/2024 5:35:31 AM PDT by nonliberal (Z.)
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To: MinorityRepublican; marcusmaximus; Paul R.; Bruce Campbells Chin; PIF; familyop; MercyFlush; ...

Ukraine ping

Trump will likely cut the Gordian knot and give Ukraine everything it needs to win. It comes down to one thing. If Putin wins, he becomes the big man in the Trump era. Now, if we were in the Age of Imperialism, Trump could one-up Putin by, say, conquering the Americas, and come up on top. But the American appetite for territorial conquest died with that last gasp of the Spanish American War - the Philippine-American War. So the way Trump stays on top is by denying Putin his victory. Similarly, any Xi attempt to conquer Taiwan during Trump’s tenure will run into Trump’s determination to prevent any foreign leader from one-upping him while he’s in charge.


45 posted on 05/12/2024 5:46:33 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room)
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To: MinorityRepublican

“Drill Baby, drill.”


46 posted on 05/12/2024 5:46:54 AM PDT by Chgogal (To paraphrase Biden: You vote Democrat? You ain't smart.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

On the author of this swill...

https://www.csis.org/people/michael-kimmage

His bio explains a LOT.


47 posted on 05/12/2024 5:51:35 AM PDT by mewzilla (Never give up; never surrender!)
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To: Chgogal

If we continue to export, baby, export, then drill, baby, drill will only help Deep State.


48 posted on 05/12/2024 5:52:31 AM PDT by mewzilla (Never give up; never surrender!)
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To: Zhang Fei

I don’t believe that Trump wants to go down in history as the president that lost Ukraine. He will support Ukraine with effective weapons and intel.


49 posted on 05/12/2024 6:25:44 AM PDT by Farmerbob
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To: Zhang Fei
Trump will likely cut the Gordian knot and give Ukraine everything it needs to win.

Trump will figure out and develop a plan by giving somebody like Elon Musk a contract to build all the drones for Ukraine.

Trump knows that the MIC is not interested in the war ending soon so he will sidestep the bureaucracy in the MIC.

50 posted on 05/12/2024 6:26:11 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican

I would be ok with escalation.


51 posted on 05/12/2024 7:09:28 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Jane Long

Yes they invested big time in the feds spending on Ukraine.

Biden winks


52 posted on 05/12/2024 7:11:43 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: Williams

Your fellow Ukraine supporters will do anything to keep Trump out of office. The people you call pro Putin are really pro American people who want to fix their own country instead of wasting hundreds of billions in a corrupt lost cause like Ukraine. Putin isn’t destroying America, it’s the enemy in our white house and halls of congress. I’m sure you saw them waving Ukrainian flags. Do you really think those blood suckers care about Ukraine? Sure they do.


53 posted on 05/12/2024 7:14:04 AM PDT by Rdct29 (The Democrats Are The New Nazi Party )
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To: MinorityRepublican

“Might”


54 posted on 05/12/2024 7:22:54 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: MinorityRepublican; marcusmaximus; Paul R.; Bruce Campbells Chin; PIF; familyop; MercyFlush; ...

Ukraine ping

Minority Republican: [Trump will figure out and develop a plan by giving somebody like Elon Musk a contract to build all the drones for Ukraine.

Trump knows that the MIC is not interested in the war ending soon so he will sidestep the bureaucracy in the MIC.]


It takes many years to develop new weaponry. Musk has zero experience in that field and no one knows if he would be any good. What if Tesla EVs had to deal with other vehicles on the road trying to destroy it? That’s a level of mutual adaptation non-defense companies never have to deal with.

What Ukraine needs is jet fighters in quantity. Hand over hundreds, and the availability for all kinds of strike missions would go through the roof. Strike fighters are essentially a fire brigade asset. A hot sector where you’re warding off an enemy advance or trying to advance against the enemy can benefit from judiciously employed air strikes.

Part of the recent Russian successes come from Putin’s decision to use his strike fighters more aggressively. He is losing a dozen top of the line fighters monthly, but making some gains. Ukraine needs fighters to conduct similar air strikes against Russian positions.

Footage released by both sides exaggerates the impact of drones. Only 10% successfully hit their targets, and the impact is limited, due the payload being limited to under 20lb pounds of HE. Whereas even the smallest air-dropped bomb holds 250 lbs of explosive material.


55 posted on 05/12/2024 7:25:06 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room)
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To: Zhang Fei
Musk has zero experience in that field and no one knows if he would be any good.

This dude builds rockets for a living.

56 posted on 05/12/2024 7:26:53 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: Zhang Fei

There is room for development of cheap, mass produced drones with 200-500 kg payload capacity

That will be a real game changer, as it will tilt the playing field towards players with massive manufacturing capabilities like China


57 posted on 05/12/2024 7:32:21 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Either you will rule. Or you will be ruled. There is no other choice.)
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To: Rdct29

Hear, hear!!

Excellent post.


58 posted on 05/12/2024 7:36:32 AM PDT by Jane Long (The role of the GOP: to write sharply-worded certailetters as America becomes a communist hell-hole.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Musk builds BS towers for a living and fills them with money grifted from the government.


59 posted on 05/12/2024 7:39:04 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Nothing says "Democracy" like throwing your opponents in jail.)
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To: Zhang Fei
It takes many years to develop new weaponry. Musk has zero experience in that field

The Ukrainians made great strides in an informal environment. Musk’s major talent is recognizing smart people, giving them resources, and letting them run with it.

60 posted on 05/12/2024 8:12:38 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Either you will rule. Or you will be ruled. There is no other choice.)
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