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The used electric car timebomb - older EVs could be hard to sell because batteries aren't guaranteed
Daily Mail ^ | 4/30/24 | Toby Walne

Posted on 04/30/2024 8:23:30 PM PDT by Libloather

Money Mail can today reveal a timebomb looming in the second-hand market for electric vehicles (EVs).

Our investigation found that many EVs could become almost impossible to resell because of their limited battery life.

Experts said that the average EV battery guarantee lasts just eight years. After this time, the battery may lose power more quickly and so reduce mileage between charges.

Many EVs will lose up to 12 per cent of their charge capacity by six years. Some may lose even more.

Yet the cost of replacing an EV battery is astonishingly high, our research found.

In some cases, the cost of a replacement battery is as much as £40,000. For certain EVs, the cost of replacing the battery could be ten times the value of the vehicle itself on the second-hand market.

That means used EVs have a limited lifespan — which makes them a bigger and bigger risk as the years go by.

Research into EV batteries is yet to be conclusive and the second-hand EV market is new, given the first popular EVs were rolled off the production line in 2009.

Last night, one motoring expert said customers should be wary of buying a used electric car beyond its warranty (typically eight years), as after that timespan there is no easy way of measuring how much the battery will degrade before it needs replacing.

This may mean you end up needing to pay for an expensive new battery.

Motor expert Shahzad Sheikh, who runs the YouTube channel Brown Car Guy, said: ‘With a decaying battery, the range will be poor and you may find it becomes increasingly hard to resell the vehicle after eight years.

Buyers will know that they’ll only get a small amount of life out of the car so will pay...

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Conspiracy; Outdoors; Travel
KEYWORDS: automotive; batteries; electric; evs; timebomb
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1 posted on 04/30/2024 8:23:30 PM PDT by Libloather
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To: Libloather

Anyone buying a used EV needs to have their HEAD EXAMINED. Same for a new one, for that matter.


2 posted on 04/30/2024 8:27:31 PM PDT by BobL (A society built on MERIT cannot survive on DEI (ref. South Africa, and now USA))
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To: Libloather
...After this time, the battery may lose power more quickly and so reduce mileage between charges.

Well duh.

3 posted on 04/30/2024 8:28:05 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (The worst thing about censorship is █████ ██ ████ ████ ████ █ ███████ ████. FJB.)
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To: Libloather

They just figured this out now? Anyone with half a dozen functioning brain cells and has owned a cell phone and watched the lithium ion battery capacity fade away saw this years ago.


4 posted on 04/30/2024 8:34:21 PM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy - EVs a solution for which there is no problem)
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To: Libloather

Until someone comes up with the wallmart of battery sales and works on volume over profit margin there will be no relief in battery buying whether old or new.

There are a number of companies out there selling to car makers that are generating a huge margin at this point even before the feds make everyone go into them.

Here’s a site that may give you a stomach ache:

https://www.thomasnet.com/articles/top-suppliers/ev-battery-manufacturers-companies/

wy69


5 posted on 04/30/2024 8:34:36 PM PDT by whitney69 (yption tunnels)
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To: Libloather

“Experts said that the average EV battery guarantee lasts just eight years. After this time, the battery may lose power more quickly and so reduce mileage between charges.”

Tesla data shows that after the first year the capacity loss slows.

“Many EVs will lose up to 12 per cent of their charge capacity by six years. Some may lose even more.”

Tesla data shows that the batteries retain 90% capacity after 200,000 miles.

And that data is for older tech batteries.


6 posted on 04/30/2024 8:34:57 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: Libloather

Poor people who are desperate will probably be falling for these old cars in coming years, they’ll look good and seem good and will be selling cheap.

Upscale people got the incentives and won’t have to deal with the waste and the problems.


7 posted on 04/30/2024 8:37:39 PM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: Libloather

I am not interested in electric cars, and do not like them being subsidized.

I also don’t like the idea of throwing away a perfectly good car body, seats, electric motor, etc. because the battery os no good.

People rebuild car engines, and depending on the engine save a lot of money over throwing in a new one. Same with transmissions. Is it possible that we could eventually see a market for reconditioned batteries, or batteries made with something other than Li-ion to get a few more years out of that Tesla or Leaf for not quite so much money?

It won’t be for me. Our 2018 Toyota Avalon is the newest car we will ever own (unless my wife buys something after I die). But just to avoid throwing away perfectly good motors and car bodies.


8 posted on 04/30/2024 8:44:49 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana
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To: Libloather
"Experts said that the average EV battery guarantee lasts just eight years. After this time, the battery may lose power more quickly and so reduce mileage between charges. Many EVs will lose up to 12 per cent of their charge capacity by six years. Some may lose even more."


9 posted on 04/30/2024 8:46:16 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: Libloather

Free Batteries for all!

Jao promised.


10 posted on 04/30/2024 8:46:58 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: TexasGator

Where’s the fraction that catch on fire?


11 posted on 04/30/2024 8:47:57 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Libloather

It is not their concern when they force us to do what they want.


12 posted on 04/30/2024 8:54:04 PM PDT by Organic Panic (Democrats. Memories as short as Joe Biden's eyes.)
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To: Libloather

“In some cases, the cost of a replacement battery is as much as £40,000. For certain EVs, the cost of replacing the battery could be ten times the value of the vehicle itself on the second-hand market.”


As Tesla ramps up production of the Model 3 and constantly works to improve their battery design, it’s quite possible that the prices will fall dramatically in the next few years. For now, our lowest out-of-pocket cost estimate for uncomplicated battery replacement on a Model 3 is approximately $13,000 (assuming $12,000 for the battery alone, $100 for the miscellaneous parts, and $500 for labor).

https://www.findmyelectric.com/blog/tesla-battery-replacement-cost-explained/


13 posted on 04/30/2024 8:54:22 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: Paladin2

“Where’s the fraction that catch on fire?”

Smaller than the fraction of ICE vehicles that catch on fire.


14 posted on 04/30/2024 8:55:24 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: Dr. Sivana

“I also don’t like the idea of throwing away a perfectly good car body, seats, electric motor, etc. because the battery os no good.”

Where did you get that notion?


15 posted on 04/30/2024 8:56:59 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: Paladin2
That's the even bigger problem. Even slight damage to a battery can severely increase the probability of a very nasty lithium battery fire.

It is also very difficult, time consuming, and potentially impossible to check a used battery for defects. Even hiring an expert mechanic to check out a used car ahead of time is no guarantee of quality.

16 posted on 04/30/2024 8:57:13 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear (Kafka was an optimist.)
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To: TexasGator

Well then Tesla is full of crap because batteries are not just about miles they are about the number of years since they were made. Even a battery that was never used will expire in a number of years. So basing battery life only on miles is deceptive at best.


17 posted on 04/30/2024 8:58:33 PM PDT by Revel
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To: TexasGator

Does anyone actually believe that Tesla propaganda (other than you and the other fan boys)?


18 posted on 04/30/2024 8:58:39 PM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy - EVs a solution for which there is no problem)
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To: Libloather

they’re a one owner disposable car...


19 posted on 04/30/2024 9:01:03 PM PDT by Chode (there is no fall back position, there's no rally point, there is no LZ... we're on our own. #FJB)
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To: from occupied ga

Not guaranteed? Neither are solar panels. In the 20 years it takes to pay them off the only guarantee is the solar companies will get paid. /they only sell to home owners. Pretty smart.


20 posted on 04/30/2024 9:02:29 PM PDT by DIRTYSECRET
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