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To: cantbebought
I agree, I just think that so far, he hadn't made any of the decisions, and I think he begins to here.
293 posted on 04/08/2002 7:50:23 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Ok, thanks! sorry, I'm not much good at the geography. Now that I go back and read it that is where Cerin Amroth is, which makes sense since Arwen goes to Lothlorien to die.
294 posted on 04/08/2002 8:00:29 PM PDT by allthatisgolddoesnotglitter
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To: HairOfTheDog; JenB
Speaking of leadership....(Now for a little Elf bashing).....

'Gil-galad was an Elven-king.
Of him the harpers sadly sing:
the last whose realm was fair and free
between the Mountains and the Sea.'

'But long ago he rode away,
and where he dwelleth none can say;
for into darkness fell his star
in Mordor where the shadows are.'

One of the things that always struck me strange was that Gil-galad never married and had an hier. I mean really. His Uncle (Turgon), Father (Fingon), Grandfather (Fingolfin), GreatUncle (Feanor) & Great-Grandfather (Finwe) have all been killed in the wars against Morgorth and his Lieutenant Sauron. He ruled for 3,514 years and marches off to the biggest war in ages were, when he falls, the Noldor Kingdom in exile also fails.

Was this ever explained in any of the Lost Tales or letters?

295 posted on 04/08/2002 8:30:06 PM PDT by cantbebought
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To: HairOfTheDog
I like your point.... Aragorn looks to Frodo as the leader, and after that it seems like once Frodo takes on the responsibility of trusting Strider, the other hobbits defer to him. It is an interesting transfer of authority, and rather subtle. Frodo may be deferring to Aragorn on the overall decisions, but he's the one that decides that all of them need to follow Aragorn's lead. Very interesting dynamics indeed...

I also think, though, that Frodo makes a major leap in his taking on the role of leader when he leaves the fellowship and he and Sam go off on their own. But this portion of the story is where he starts heading in that direction, I think.

302 posted on 04/08/2002 9:53:02 PM PDT by Penny1
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