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To: Overtaxed
No... well, the unfortunate orc-material Elves were captured long before there were any divisions of Elfkind. Later there were a whole bunch of splits (almost as bad as a denomination!) but there were two main splits - into Moriquendi and Calaquendi - Elves of the Dark and Elves of the Light. The Moriquendi include the Avari (Unwilling, those who completely refused to go to Valinor) and the Umanyar(very rarely used grouping, means they started off but never got there. Most of these were originally Teleri, but now Teleri refers to one of the three branches of the Eldar.

The Calaquendi, or Eldar, are broken into the Vanyar (Fair Elves, sometimes Light Elves), the Noldor ("Deep Elves", our good friends), and the Teleri (Sea-Elves).

Got it? There will be a quiz... as long as I'm throwing out Elf-names, Eldar means People of the Stars, and refers only to the Elves of the Journey. So Thingol could be considered an Eldar, and he's granted Calaquendi status because he went to Valinor once, but he rules Sindar, which are Teleri/Umanyar/Moriquendi.

I think we just ran into "too many names" syndrome again.

327 posted on 04/09/2002 1:25:13 PM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB
Amazing isn't it that Tolkien created and populated a world so complex, and yet so consistent, that intelligent people are still arguing about it today much the same way many of the world's brightest still argue about pre-historic societies?

Tolkien would be delighted.

328 posted on 04/09/2002 3:14:16 PM PDT by fire and forget
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To: JenB
I think we just ran into "too many names" syndrome again.

And too many migrations. They start out in ME, leave, come back, and now they're leaving again. cutting and running must fit in there somewhere. :)

330 posted on 04/09/2002 3:26:27 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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