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Austin, we have a problem! Tesla descends into battery hell
Yahoo News ^

Posted on 12/21/2023 8:35:55 PM PST by Ronaldus Magnus III

AUSTIN, Texas (Reuters) - Elon Musk says prototypes are easy, production is hell. And when it comes to the long-awaited Cybertruck, Tesla's hell is its pioneering 4680 battery.

Tesla delivered the first of its futuristic stainless steel-plated electric pickups last month and CEO Musk said in October that it would probably hit an annual production rate of a quarter of a million vehicles at some point during 2025.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: austin; automotive; ev; firetraps; lithium; mining; planet; tesla; texas
From the article.

""GOOEY MESS'

The sources said Tesla was struggling to mix the cathode materials, which include lithium, manganese and nickel, with a binder and stick them to a metallic foil to produce a cathode""

Just how were all these materials mined, processed, and transported? How much wind and solar energy were used? What did they do when the Sun went down and the wind stopped blowing? NO! Don't tell me that they used evil hydrocarbons, oil and natural gas! Oh! The humanity!

1 posted on 12/21/2023 8:35:55 PM PST by Ronaldus Magnus III
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To: Ronaldus Magnus III

From 2018 - Lithium Batteries’ Dirty Secret: Manufacturing Them Leaves Massive Carbon Footprint

https://www.industryweek.com/technology-and-iiot/article/22026518/lithium-batteries-dirty-secret-manufacturing-them-leaves-massive-carbon-footprint


2 posted on 12/21/2023 8:40:23 PM PST by Libloather (Why do climate change hoax deniers live in mansions on the beach?)
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To: Ronaldus Magnus III

>> From the article. ‘GOOEY MESS’

Yahoo/Reuters that have fallen out of favor with Musk


3 posted on 12/21/2023 8:40:28 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Ronaldus Magnus III

Well, give them credit for exploring and debugging this new technology.


4 posted on 12/21/2023 8:47:17 PM PST by Reno89519 (It's war. No one murders and takes Americans hostage. Time to act. Declare war on Islamic Hamas.)
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To: Ronaldus Magnus III

With such a high failure rate, it’s no wonder the dang things cost so much.


5 posted on 12/21/2023 9:04:55 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> --- )
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To: Ronaldus Magnus III

I thought they used unicorn farts.


6 posted on 12/21/2023 9:08:07 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Reno89519
"Well, give them credit for exploring and debugging this new technology."

Advancements in battery technology is generally a good thing.
7 posted on 12/21/2023 9:42:18 PM PST by clearcarbon (Fraudulent elections have consequences.)
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To: clearcarbon

Advancements in battery technology generally cost an insane amount to advance a teeny bit.

This will be another interesting one for ai.
If ai is worth a hoot-a major advancement in battery technology could be sooner not later.


8 posted on 12/21/2023 10:05:56 PM PST by Freest Republican (This space for rent)
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To: Freest Republican
If ai is worth a hoot-a major advancement in battery technology could be sooner not later.

Battery improvements are measured in improved energy density, longer life, more safety, less environmental impact, and very importantly lower cost to produce. By these measures battery technology is improving at a much lower rate than pretty much any other technology one can think of.

9 posted on 12/21/2023 10:35:36 PM PST by fireman15 (Irritating people are the grit from which we fashion our pearl. I provide the grit. You're Welcome.)
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To: smokingfrog

You don’t want to buy a windshield wiper!


10 posted on 12/21/2023 11:42:55 PM PST by Does so ( 🇺🇦..."Christian-Nationalists" won WWII...Biden NOT DNC nominee!t)
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To: Gene Eric

“YAHOO?” Who in their right mind reads anything from this outfit much less posts it here?


11 posted on 12/22/2023 12:23:38 AM PST by jdt1138 (Where ever you go, there you are.)
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To: Ronaldus Magnus III

I thought “Gooey Mess” was the Secret Service code name for Joe Biden.


12 posted on 12/22/2023 3:34:02 AM PST by Bernard (We honor veterans who fought to keep this country from turning into what it now is. --Argus Hamilton)
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To: Gene Eric
Yahoo/Reuters that have fallen out of favor with Musk

Yup, ever since he bought the Liberal echo chamber Twitter and [gasp!] allowed all points of view to be expressed without fear of banning, Musk has fallen out of favor with all of the MSM and most world governments.

13 posted on 12/22/2023 3:36:03 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /Sarc tag really necessary? Pray for President Biden: Psalm 109:8)
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To: Ronaldus Magnus III

4680 Battery: Everything You Need to Know About These New Cells

https://history-computer.com/4680-battery-cells/


14 posted on 12/22/2023 4:24:58 AM PST by FarCenter
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To: Bernard

Post of the day!


15 posted on 12/22/2023 5:14:48 AM PST by OriginalChristian (The end of the American Republic as founded, began when the first Career Politician was elected...)
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To: Ronaldus Magnus III

Prototypes are easy, Production is hell. True words. Ramping up is tough.

I pulled the trigger on ordering a rooftop tent truck camper the other day. The manufacturer is a start up who is currently going through scaling up challenges. They are trying to scale up to making five units a day and are finding it a challenge.

As a result, they have moved back the delivery dates.

They are very transparent and it’s great to see a small American manufacturer succeed.

I’m guessing that they will get it figured out and underpromise and overdeliver and we’ll get our camper by early summer.


16 posted on 12/22/2023 5:29:20 AM PST by cyclotic (Don’t be part of the problem. Be the entire problem)
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To: cyclotic
Just out of curiosity, did you have to make a down payment when you placed the order? If so, what kind of guarantee did you get that you get the deposit back if the company fails to deliver?

I've never bought a product in a situation like that, so I am not familiar with ground rules for that type of purchase.

17 posted on 12/22/2023 6:14:11 AM PST by Bernard (We honor veterans who fought to keep this country from turning into what it now is. --Argus Hamilton)
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To: Bernard

I took a shot. It’s paid in full. They offer a full refund if I change my mind. Purchased on credit card so there’s some protection there too.

It was about $6500 so if it does blow up it’ll hurt but it’s not going to bankrupt me.


18 posted on 12/22/2023 6:18:08 AM PST by cyclotic (Don’t be part of the problem. Be the entire problem)
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To: Ronaldus Magnus III

How good is it for going mudding?


19 posted on 12/22/2023 7:03:03 AM PST by bgill
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To: Does so

I had to replace the wiper motor in my ‘78 Bronco about 40 years ago.
Is it just me, or do wiper blades not last as long as they used to?


20 posted on 12/22/2023 9:21:55 AM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> --- )
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