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To: mowowie
Toyota said "no" to electric cars. Hybrid at most; All electric? Solly cholly, no can do.

11 posted on 04/19/2024 4:30:16 PM PDT by Governor Dinwiddie (LORD, grant thy people grace to withstand the temptations of the world, the flesh, and the devil.)
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To: Governor Dinwiddie

Check out post 14


15 posted on 04/19/2024 4:32:28 PM PDT by mowowie
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To: Governor Dinwiddie

That is why Toyota is numero uno. They THINK.


24 posted on 04/19/2024 5:01:16 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isn’t common anymore)
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To: Governor Dinwiddie

Toyota said wait on pure EV they are all in on solid state cells which they plan to have in the Asian megacity markets by 2027.

https://electrek.co/2024/01/11/toyota-solid-state-ev-battery-plans-750-mi-range/

20/80% SOC in 10 min or less is 450 miles in a 750 mile pack. Vastly further than the weekly distance in any dense city in America let alone Asia. Japanese drivers avg between 3000 and 5000km per year with daily drives under 25km. China is similar distances per day and year. Both countries import liquid fuels , Japan imports every drop. They have huge national incentives to move as rapidly as possible from liquid fuels to domestic electrons.

That said they are moving to all electric drive trains the flagship Camry is the first after the Prius to only be offered with an electric drivetrain all other Toyota will follow shortly. It’s cheaper for them to have two motors and two inverters vs 10+ gears, clutches, torque converters and all kinds of fluids and hydraulics. With a two motor EDU you have the flexibility to power it with a number of sources. ICE only being one of them. Fuelcells,gas turbines and batteries are the other’s the EDU doesn’t care where it gets high voltage DC current from. The faster you spin a generator the smaller and lighter it becomes the 170kva that powers a whole 777 is the size of a 5lb coffee can and can be held by one person with ease. This begs for a small gas turbine that can burn anything flammable liquid or gas. Think alcohols,H2,CNG,or any of the synthetic fuels made from CO+H2 gasses those can come from seawater, the air using nukes or off peak wind/solar or biomass gasification.

Toyota also has the most efficient ICE engine in mass production in the Prius and Camry hybrids that same engine they run in a Corolla on hydrogen with zero emissions they race it in the Corolla at that under huge levels of boost. That same engine with the right software will burn any of the alcohols from methanol to isopropyl at greater efficiency than petrol due by to the very high octane of alcohols you can run 16:1 compression and 18:1 expansion ratios with VVT you can go down to 12:1 for petrol at a huge penalty of efficiency. The OTTO cycle effective BSFC is based nearly entirely on it’s max compression ratio. Higher is better due to Carnot and physics.

Toyota is a world car maker they know rightly so that what works in dense Asian megacites is not going to work in Africa , or Latin America. That why they will go hybrids with EDU for areas with poor infrastructure and use the same EDU with larger plug in packs for suburban area’s and the larger of the two motors for urban area’s with solid state packs and dense networks of fast DC chargers to support those 5C plus charge rate packs. One platform all uses this is exactly what Toyota is doing not will do. The other models will follow in short order.


27 posted on 04/19/2024 5:30:27 PM PDT by GenXPolymath
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