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To: tired&retired

In my opinion, Carl Jung developed the best explanation of the nature of the Self, the Shadow, and the unconscious mind. This explanation included the male and female nature of the Soul. What is interesting to me is how humans draw on Jung’s collective unconscious to create and experience spirituality. This directly parallels the way generative AI trains on all the digital artifacts of human creativity and hallucinates new content from it. AI is on the verge of self-awareness by absorbing and integrating all of the human collective consciousness that has been digitized.


4 posted on 05/04/2024 6:30:06 AM PDT by Dave Wright
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To: Dave Wright
AI is on the verge of self-awareness

Not even close!

To be aware, an entity needs to be organic, and have a conscience and be able to experience emotions, and mostly love. AI is just programming of devices (computers or whatever) and those devices are composed of materials that can never have or get emotions, or draw from experiences of self and from all the history that man created.

The more sophisticated programming that is being called AI, is just more of the same as before, but tackling more advanced jobs. AI has existed for a long time, but wasn't called AI, such as taking orders at a restaurant or recognizing faces to open doors.

More advanced programming of other tasks, does not equate to intelligence. It is just programming to handle a lot of the mundane tasks which in some cases people thought required some intelligence. Reading books aloud used to be thought as requiring intelligence. Interpreting from one language to another was also thought to require intelligence. Understanding the spoken word and then responding with a corresponding but expected action, such as doing a flight reservation, was thought to require intelligence. People have been doing a lot of tasks which can now be automated and taken over by sophisticated programming. Sophisticated programming is not intelligence that makes the robot or machine 'aware' or that approaches human intelligence. Even a fly has a lot more intelligence than what's exhibited by the current AI features.

Take the most advanced computer or smartphone, and put it out on a mountaintop, and have it facing the heavens full of specs (stars, galaxies, etc), and then see if it can come up with conclusions of its own about what it is observing. Have any other type of AI and put in in a forest and wait to see if it can draws its own conclusions about what is around.

Diagnosing for cancers is thought to be an intelligent action, but, it's just advanced programming that uses what was known before, and can be done more quickly and more efficiently and precisely than humans. It's artificial, but not intelligence that didn't come from humans.
13 posted on 05/04/2024 7:19:09 AM PDT by adorno (CCH)
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To: Dave Wright

Carl Jung spent a weekend at Stanley Hall’s home in September of 1909 during the Clark Lextures. Also staying in the home was William James of Harvard who wrote “Varieties of Religious Experiences” in 1902. That weekend changes Jung’s life and directed him to a lifetime of studying religion(s).

I’ve studied Jung extensively and read his “Complete Works.” He is excellent as he was a trailblazer, but many of his concepts are wrong.

I met with the Jung family a few years ago as I helped fund the publishing of the “Redbook.”


17 posted on 05/04/2024 8:39:32 AM PDT by tired&retired (Blessings )
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