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To: beaversmom
I'm not excusing Jackson, and I think it is a bad idea to sleep with other peoples children, but I haven't heard any specific allegations as to what he has done.

He may be guilty, he may not be, but shouldn't we wait to see what the charges actually are? If he is so dangerous why aren't the parents being brought up on endangerment charges?

When I slept with my babies, from birth to teen I would give them backrubs and kisses. There is nothing close to molestation in that, and so far that is all I've heard Jackson accused of.

Of course, the new charges seem to be more serious, but until they name them, I'll leave off comment.

I do feel sorry for Jackson and feel that while weird, he is probably just still a 5 year old boy trying to have a childhood.
6 posted on 11/23/2003 11:38:52 AM PST by LaraCroft (Grrr baby, very very grrrr)
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To: LaraCroft
When I slept with my babies, from birth to teen I would give them backrubs and kisses. There is nothing close to molestation in that, and so far that is all I've heard Jackson accused of.

That is inappropriate behavior for anyone other than a parent. You need to get a clue.

I do feel sorry for Jackson

I don't. He's had ten years to wise up and change his behaviors. Like many of the rich and powerful, he thinks society's mores do not apply to him.

7 posted on 11/23/2003 12:02:00 PM PST by happygrl
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To: LaraCroft
I do feel sorry for Jackson and feel that while weird, he is probably just still a 5 year old boy trying to have a childhood.

OMG, just OMG!

11 posted on 11/23/2003 12:19:05 PM PST by ShandaLear
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To: LaraCroft
"When I slept with my babies, from birth to teen I would give them backrubs and kisses. There is nothing close to molestation in that, and so far that is all I've heard Jackson accused of."

While I agree with your analysis, I think it's worthwhile to note that the intimacy you describe above is generally consisdered to be reserved for Mom and no one else. While it is not criminal, necessarily, for someone else to do it, it sure is suspicious.

12 posted on 11/23/2003 12:21:30 PM PST by tjg
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To: LaraCroft
Wow. You have got to naiive to think of Jackson the way to do. Or else you have a mental illness to think its ok for grown men to sleep in the same bed with young boys.

Again:

The argument for a relatives sharing a bed is valid, but a non-family member adult man sharing a bed with your child? You would have to be crazy or a pervert to think that was ok.
13 posted on 11/23/2003 12:28:49 PM PST by Rebelbase
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To: LaraCroft
Please read the declaration from the boy in the case from ten years ago.
16 posted on 11/23/2003 12:35:30 PM PST by ordinaryguy
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To: LaraCroft
I agree with you that he's stuck in his childhood. I hope he finally gets the help he so desperately needs as a result of this.
17 posted on 11/23/2003 12:37:40 PM PST by Hildy
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To: LaraCroft
Lara, I don't know you personally, but your comments on #6 seem very naive. Please read the allegations from the "first" boy in 1993. Very believeable--typical pedophile stuff--only MJ uses his millions of dollars to get what he wants instead of having to resort to the less sophisticated method of "hey want some candy" in the neighborhood park.

If you read the report from 93, it's hard to believe that a young boy could have made this stuff up. Jackson used very manipulative manuevers to get what he wanted--crying when the boy wouldn't go along with what he wanted. Saying just because other people think it's wrong doesn't make it so. I don't buy this I'm just a big kid a heart routine. It's a put on to manuever and manipulate children into his web. The excuse is, I have all this kid stuff because I'm a kid; therefore, since I'm just a kid, I love to be around kids. He does love kids--a lot of pedophiles claim they love children and are only expressing their love for them. For the life of me I don't know how so many parents could have went along with it especially after the 93 claims.

You are right, Jackson has been accused of rubs and kisses but they aren't rubs and kisses on the kid's cheek. They aren't the rubs and kisses you or I would give our own children.

Also, a normal person in his situation that had been wrongly accused of child molestation would have made it a point never to be around a stranger's child again at least not alone and certainly wouldn't have been having sleep overs. Instead, Michael Jackson goes right back to the old behavior because he can't control his desire to sexually molest children. Going back to his old behavior tells me right there that he is guilty.

You can wait until you hear more of the facts. I won't be on the jury and don't have to worry about legally guilty or innocent. He was guilty right after I read that 93 report and saw that English interview earlier this year. My common sense tells me that.

35 posted on 11/23/2003 1:36:16 PM PST by beaversmom
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To: LaraCroft
I do feel sorry for Jackson and feel that while weird, he is probably just still a 5 year old boy trying to have a childhood.


66 posted on 11/23/2003 5:14:15 PM PST by Barnacle (Navigating the treacherous waters of a liberal culture)
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To: LaraCroft
By the time the kids are teenagers, why would you do any of that? Aren't they too old? Isn't that something they would only do with their boyfriend/girlfriend
72 posted on 11/23/2003 9:59:37 PM PST by hasegawasama
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To: LaraCroft
When I slept with my babies, from birth to teen I would give them backrubs and kisses. There is nothing close to molestation in that, and so far that is all I've heard Jackson accused of. Of course, the new charges seem to be more serious, but until they name them, I'll leave off comment. I do feel sorry for Jackson and feel that while weird, he is probably just still a 5 year old boy trying to have a childhood.

People like you are "enablers", contributing to Jackson thriving in the pervert business for years. While you feel sorry for Jackson, I feel sorry for the innocent children who this child molester has ruined for life.

76 posted on 11/24/2003 7:14:58 AM PST by LisaMalia (Buckeye Fan since birth!!)
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To: LaraCroft
Thank you for your post #6. I now know there actually are people out there who would willingly send their child over for Jacko "sleepovers". Some are even on FR, sadly...
85 posted on 11/24/2003 11:20:09 AM PST by over3Owithabrain
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To: LaraCroft
I haven't heard any specific allegations as to what he has done.

The counts are for lewd and lascivious acts with intent to arouse either party, committed on a child under 14 years of age.

You may wish to go to the Smoking Gun website and read the affadavit of the boy from 1993. It was not normal and wholesome interaction that was alleged. Nor is it in this case either. It is not alleged that merely sleeping in the same bed is the wrong thing, or just hugs or kisses as a parent would bestow on their child. What is alleged are acts with intent for sexual gratification--either by the adult or to cause arousal of the child.

Get it?

It is complete and utter nonsense to pretend that charges like this would be drawn up based on a hug.

115 posted on 11/24/2003 6:47:35 PM PST by cyncooper ("The evil is in plain sight")
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