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Justices Hear Case on Using Death Photos of Official
New York Times ^ | December 4, 2003 | LINDA GREENHOUSE

Posted on 12/04/2003 5:46:57 AM PST by OESY

WASHINGTON, Dec. 3 — Although Vincent W. Foster Jr., the Clinton administration's deputy White House counsel, killed himself more than 10 years ago, the controversy provoked by his death has yet to run its course. The Supreme Court heard arguments on Wednesday on whether the Freedom of Information Act obliges the government to make public the graphic photographs that the police took of the death scene in Fort Marcy Park in McLean, Va.

The question was whether the release of the photographs, sought by a California lawyer who questions the official conclusion that the death was a suicide, would be an unwarranted invasion of the privacy of Mr. Foster's surviving family members.

While the Freedom of Information Act broadly requires the disclosure of government records, it has an exemption for law enforcement records that "could reasonably be expected to constitute an unwarranted invasion of personal privacy."

The federal appeals court in San Francisco held that the exemption did not cover four of the photographs and that they should be released. The government, joined by Mr. Foster's widow and sister, appealed to the Supreme Court. The appeal presented two questions, whether survivors can claim any privacy right under the exemption and, if so, how courts should balance personal privacy with public interest in monitoring government behavior.

The lawyer seeking the photos, Allan J. Favish, argued his own case. Mr. Favish said the court had made clear in earlier Freedom of Information Act cases that privacy meant no more than "the right to control information about yourself." Information about other people, even painful information about close relatives, did not qualify for the exemption, he said, adding that if Congress wanted to write a broader privacy exemption, it was free to do so.

Justice Stephen G. Breyer objected. "For thousands of years," Justice Breyer said, "respect for the dead, respect for survivors, has run through every religious tradition. Why couldn't we assume that Congress intended to recognize something so deep in human nature?"

The Foster family's lawyer, James Hamilton, said, "After 10 years, it's time to give this family some peace."

Their desire was "to be free from seeing these photographs on television and in grocery store tabloids" and from having to answer more questions, he said.

Five years ago, Mr. Hamilton argued and won another Supreme Court case that involved Mr. Foster. The court rejected an effort by Kenneth W. Starr, the independent counsel, to obtain Mr. Hamilton's notes of a meeting with Mr. Foster nine days before the suicide. The justices said the lawyer-client privilege survived the client's death.

Patricia A. Millett, an assistant solicitor general who argued for the government, told the court that the purpose of the Freedom of Information Act was "not maximum disclosure, but responsible disclosure." Ms. Millett said applying the privacy exemption required a balancing test in which the person requesting the information should have to demonstrate "clear independent evidence of government misconduct" and not simply "unsubstantiated allegations."

Mr. Favish has maintained, and repeated in court, that the photographs would demonstrate inconsistencies in the official reports of the death and show that the government had been negligent in determining what really happened.

Justice Antonin Scalia, for one, was not impressed.

"You've just demonstrated some foot faults," Justice Scalia told Mr. Favish. "Who cares?"

There are larger implications to the case, Office of Independent Counsel v. Favish, No. 02-954. Although the lower courts have all agreed that survivors can assert a privacy claim, they have disagreed on how to evaluate the public interest side.


TOPICS: Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: breyer; clinton; counsel; favish; fortmarcypark; foster; freedom; hamilton; information; mclean; millett; personalprivacy; scalia; starr; supremecourt; vincentfoster; whitehouse

1 posted on 12/04/2003 5:46:58 AM PST by OESY
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To: OESY
"You've just demonstrated some foot faults," Justice Scalia told Mr. Favish. "Who cares?"

Oh, I suppose anyone who actually cares about JUSTICE.

2 posted on 12/04/2003 6:24:39 AM PST by GluteusMax
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To: OESY
"Although Vincent W. Foster Jr., the Clinton administration's deputy White House counsel, ALLEGEDLY killed himself more than 10 years ago,"
3 posted on 12/04/2003 7:23:33 AM PST by Uncle Sausage
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To: OESY
I want to hear from Miquel Rodriguez, former Starr investigator, who said he uncovered photos showing a neck wound on Foster. The guy got transferred to San Francisco or somewhere and clammed up. Then AIM got some words of his on tape...but no full discussion in public.
4 posted on 12/04/2003 7:23:37 AM PST by secretagent
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To: OESY
The Looting of Foster's office

While the U.S. Park Police (a unit not equipped for a proper homicide investigation) studied the body, Foster's office at the White House was being looted. Secret Service agent Henry O' Neill watched as Hillary Clinton's chief of staff, Margaret Williams, carried boxes of papers out of Vincent Foster's office before the Park Police showed up to seal it. Amazing when you consider that the official identification of Vincent Foster's body by Craig Livingstone did not take place until 10PM!


5 posted on 12/04/2003 7:27:16 AM PST by TigersEye ("Where there is life there is hope!" - Terri Schindler Schiavo)
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To: secretagent
Here is one of those audios. There are three more at the link in my previous post.
6 posted on 12/04/2003 7:29:51 AM PST by TigersEye ("Where there is life there is hope!" - Terri Schindler Schiavo)
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To: OESY
"You've just demonstrated some foot faults," Justice Scalia told Mr. Favish. "Who cares?"

I was there.

This was just one of the times I really wanted to get up and scream. Here I would have shouted, "Et tu Brutus?" But more than that I really wanted to do an Al Pacino (Scent of a Woman). Oyez, oyez. What a croc!

And by the way, it wasn't a privacy exemption, it was a personal privacy exemption. There is a reason why that word personal is in there, but it seemed to get lost at times.

I hope to write more about this when I have a chance.

ML/NJ

7 posted on 12/04/2003 7:32:40 AM PST by ml/nj
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To: OESY
"You've just demonstrated some foot faults," Justice Scalia told Mr. Favish. "Who cares?"

The catchphrases of the Clinton Administration:

"Who cares?"
"So what?"
"That was yesterday."
8 posted on 12/04/2003 7:55:31 AM PST by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: TigersEye
Thanks TE. I listened to it.

Rodriguez says he told reporters from several major media the story, and they wanted to go with it, but their higher-ups killed the story.

I find that hard to believe, but the voice on the tape... Credibility call - subjective - it sounds real to me.
9 posted on 12/04/2003 8:51:38 AM PST by secretagent
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To: TigersEye
Rodriguez transcript from AIM:

http://www.aim.org/publications/special_reports/2003/foster/rodriguez_transcript.html
10 posted on 12/04/2003 9:00:06 AM PST by secretagent
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To: secretagent
I just listened to the first one today myself. I don't know why you find it hard to believe that editors spike a story like this. If it weren't for Drudge the Monica Lewinsky story would have been spiked. Wasn't that the one he broke that another reporter had researched and written up but wasn't going to publish?
11 posted on 12/04/2003 9:00:47 AM PST by TigersEye ("Where there is life there is hope!" - Terri Schindler Schiavo)
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To: secretagent
Thanks for the link.
12 posted on 12/04/2003 9:01:49 AM PST by TigersEye ("Where there is life there is hope!" - Terri Schindler Schiavo)
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To: secretagent
Skimming over that transcript; it seems to match the audio.
13 posted on 12/04/2003 9:06:24 AM PST by TigersEye ("Where there is life there is hope!" - Terri Schindler Schiavo)
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To: ml/nj
It seems to me that this personal privacy exemption endangers families like Foster's.

It gives the evil doers an incentive to intimidate the families into exercising the personal privacy exemption to cover up the crime.

Without the exemption on the books, the bad guys wouldn't have that reason to intimidate the families.

Even if Foster did commit suicide in Ft Marcy Park, I still support Favish. The law has the potential to empower bad guys in other cases.

14 posted on 12/04/2003 9:08:39 AM PST by secretagent
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To: secretagent
Even if Foster did commit suicide in Ft Marcy Park, ...

You're asking me to reason from a false hypothesis.

Other than that I'm not sure what your point is. Are you implying that I didn't or don't support the work that Favish has done, or that I might be in favor of keeping information secret in this case?

ML/NJ

15 posted on 12/04/2003 9:14:19 AM PST by ml/nj
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To: TigersEye
Yes, but the Lewinsky story did break with Drudge. The Rodriguez story hasn't broken with even Drudge.

But to support the AIM view: I haven't seen any articles busting and smearing Rodriguez. Even the A&E "Investigative Reports", a smear job, didn't mention Rodriguez.

Later...off to jury duty.

16 posted on 12/04/2003 9:14:39 AM PST by secretagent
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To: secretagent
They haven't smeared him because that would bring attention to him. As long as he's being properly ignored they will leave it that way.
17 posted on 12/04/2003 9:26:14 AM PST by TigersEye ("Where there is life there is hope!" - Terri Schindler Schiavo)
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To: TigersEye
As long as he's being properly ignored they will leave it that way.

Yes, that seems plausible to me as well. Not so much because of conspiracy, rather laziness and status protection .

The Clinton "opposition" didn't want to go out on a limb. No one wants the label "conspiracy theorist".

BTW, I don't know if I buy murder - perhaps he committed suicide somewhere else. I lean towards murder, cause it seems like too much trouble to go through to cover up a suicide in his office, but I suppose they could have wanted to shift the suicide scene to protect some documents from scrutiny.

18 posted on 12/04/2003 1:13:40 PM PST by secretagent
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To: secretagent
Batchelor and Alexander interviewed somebody a year or two ago who found the body. At first, this witness thought Foster was asleep, he was so peaceful looking.

How anybody could fire a handgun into their head and then lay down peacefully, with the gun still in their hand, is beyond me.

There is no evidence that Foster left the White House that day. Normally, there would be a tape, but it can't be found.

The technician responsible for that tape died shortly after Foster.

Maybe Lisa Foster would sleep easier if she shone some light on Vince Foster's death.
19 posted on 12/04/2003 11:00:58 PM PST by Tymesup
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To: Tymesup
Good points.

I remember that the powder burns on Foster's hands didn't fit with a suicide, but perhaps an attempt to prevent his homicide.

A lot of points that the mainstream hasn't answered.

20 posted on 12/07/2003 2:06:09 PM PST by secretagent
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