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Home run: PM didn't fawn, Bush didn't get ugly
The Globe and Mail ^ | 1/15/04 | Lawrence Martin

Posted on 01/15/2004 10:52:43 AM PST by TastyManatees

Home run: PM didn't fawn, Bush didn't get ugly
By LAWRENCE MARTIN

Never in Canada-U.S. history have a Liberal prime minister and a Republican president hit it off. Among the various reasons was a basic one: ideological differences.

Sir Wilfrid Laurier and Teddy Roosevelt set the trend a century ago. In a dispute over the Alaska boundary, intemperate Teddy announced, "I am going to be ugly." He proceeded to act accordingly, and the prime minister responded in kind.

Mackenzie King had distant relations with Calvin Coolidge, who, while hailing from the border state of Vermont, amazed Mr. King's coterie by asking if Toronto was near a lake. Louis St. Laurent and Dwight Eisenhower were rather remote as well, the prime minister almost dozing off in a meeting with Ike in 1956. As for Pierre Trudeau, he was hardly at ease with Richard Nixon or with Ronald Reagan, whose intellectual thinness was sometimes too much for Mr. Trudeau to bear.

Through it all, the Canada-U.S. relationship grew nicely, integrational tendencies proceeding apace no matter how much the men at the top differed.

In Monterrey, on Tuesday, Liberals and Republicans met again when Paul Martin sat down with George W. Bush. This President had no designs on being ugly. Remarkably, he had more the look of the supplicant. Prime Minister Martin walked away with two or three concessions while ceding nothing to Mr. Bush in return.

Though the deals were hardly major, one was enough to crack the CNN headlines: The network reported a Bush flip-flop in his allowing Canada to bid on Iraqi reconstruction contracts.

It's hard to recall another first meeting between a president and PM wherein the Canadian came out so clearly on top. In 1936, Mackenzie King left his initial get-together with Franklin Roosevelt with a trade package that Mr. King considered one of his big achievements. FDR thought he had outfoxed the prime minister.

First meetings, it should be said, are traditionally happy get-acquainted sessions, and should not be viewed as harbingers of any ensuing rapport. John Diefenbaker professed to being an admirer of John F. Kennedy after their first talks in Washington in 1961. The amicability lasted only until they got to know one another better.

Jean Chrétien and Mr. Bush got along well enough at their first encounter three years ago. But it was not long before the clash over the war prompted the President to go so far as to cancel a scheduled visit to Ottawa last spring. By bilateral standards, that was serious business.

But in Monterrey, it was a different Mr. Bush. The snooty arrogance was gone. He was complimentary about the government's — he could only mean the Chrétien government's — contribution in Afghanistan and postwar assistance in Iraq.

What caused the turnaround? Was this a chastened President?

Not likely. But some things seem clear. One is that on the issue that triggered the war, the alleged weapons of mass destruction, Canadian doubts proved correct while Mr. Bush's cocksuredness about their existence proved wrong. That may have given the President some pause. Another factor was that the President, pleased to be rid of the nettlesome Mr. Chrétien, wanted to show it by giving the new guy a break or two. A third consideration was timing. This is a U.S. election year. Criticized heavily for alienating so many allies with his unilateralist thrusts, Mr. Bush may wish to show Americans he can bring old allies, neighbours like Canada, back into the fold.

For Mr. Martin, it was critical not to have to put on any show of fawning to get the deal on Iraqi reconstruction and on safeguards against deporting Canadians. The new Prime Minister could have done without the "vibes were very good" headlines but he walked away from Monterrey without looking sycophantic.

That will continue to be critical in this relationship. Any obsequiousness with the President would solidify Mr. Martin's image as a right-wing Liberal, an image he does not wish to nurture.

An initial stretch of harmony is good, but it is unlikely that Mr. Martin wants to become the first Liberal prime minister to be buddies with a Republican president. Not only are there broad ideological differences with President Bush, this is not a President and Prime Minister who will find it easy to build a personal rapport. Their styles and tastes diverge. While Paul Martin is a reader of books, a man who likes to sit around and talk policy and ideas, the more monosyllabic Mr. Bush likes to talk baseball.

The new Prime Minister doesn't care much for that sport, though in his first meeting with the President Bush, it was he who hit the home run.


TOPICS: Canada; Editorial; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: arrogant; bush; canada; insult; martin; paulmartin; primeminister; reagan; veitnam
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Please read the entire piece.

It's author, Lawrence Martin, considers himself a pretty smart guy and an expert on U.S./Canadian relations. He has quite a wide readership. I won't comment on the immature, uneducated arrogance it takes to publish something like this when your Prime Minister has to come hat in hand to beg from the President of the United States...and plans on doing so again in the near future.

Tasty Manatees
1 posted on 01/15/2004 10:52:46 AM PST by TastyManatees
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To: TastyManatees
How revolting. Thanks for posting it. A nice reminder of why half that country speaks French.
2 posted on 01/15/2004 10:57:44 AM PST by RightOnTheLeftCoast
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast
Where, exactly, do these Canadians live ?
3 posted on 01/15/2004 11:08:38 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: *Canada
Ping.
4 posted on 01/15/2004 11:12:33 AM PST by TastyManatees (http://www.tastymanatees.com)
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To: TastyManatees
I used to be very pro-Canada in the very recent past, so I find myself a bit surprised at how easy typing 'Screw Canada!' comes off my fingertips. It's kind of a shame, but it is what it is.
5 posted on 01/15/2004 11:18:31 AM PST by SolutionsOnly
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To: TastyManatees
Lawrence Martin is a snooty and arrogant writer who sees nothing but what his own irrational disdain of America wants him to see. That being said, note that PM Paul Martin (no relation, I'm pretty sure) is no Chretien by any stretch. He became very wealthy as head of Canada Steamship Lines and has many strong business connections to the U.S. and is sidelining the ignorant Chretienites who mewl about the U.S. like a bunch of jealous crybabies.

His people have had contact with Bush's people for some time before the change in leadership here. He's already making moves to undo some of the damage wrought on our military by Chretien's fools and is dropping the rediculous "Canada as a moral leader" BS that was so prominent with the Chretien era. Also recall that while he lived in Quebec (not unrealistic for the business he was in) he hails originally from Windsor, Ontario (across the border from Detroit) so he doesn't share the smug arrogance common to native French Quebecers.

There's absolutely nothing in his political or personal makeup that would suggest that he won't actively try to repair the damage in relations Chretien seemed so proud of.

All this being said, he's still a Liberal and I hardly can see myself voting for him, but until the (new) Conservative Party gets it's feet on the ground we're probably stuck with him. Frankly, if we have to be stuck with a Lib gov't I'd rather have him heading it than any of the alternatives. At least he lives in the real world and knows what it's like to make a payroll. Chretien sat in the House of Commons for 40 years and was driven by nothing more than raw political ambition.

Interestingly, Martin kiboshed all of Chretien's pet projects immediately upon taking office. In a further (and pleasant) surprise he immediately announced an accelerated agenda to replace our military's aging and decrepid Sea King helicopters, a program Chretien famously cancelled immediately upon gaining office. This was a hard slap in the face to Chretien. These two men never liked each other. Should be interesting to watch.

6 posted on 01/15/2004 11:24:01 AM PST by mitchbert (Facts are Stubborn Things)
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To: TastyManatees
The gagging I experienced while reading this article has nothing to do with the fact that I've had the flu (or something) for 2 weeks.

Lawrence Martin projects himself as an elitist, uppity prig, and doesn't have a clue about President Bush.

Reagan's "intellectual thinness", as opposed to Trudeau? ROFLOL.
7 posted on 01/15/2004 11:28:00 AM PST by baseballmom
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To: mitchbert
Thanks for the info on PM Martin. With his business background, it will be interesting to see the direction he takes Canada.
8 posted on 01/15/2004 11:32:10 AM PST by baseballmom
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To: mitchbert
Seems like the new prime minister is also taking steps to push the hardline (and for the most part America hating) lefties out of his Liberal Party. A lot of them are being challenged by pro-Martin Liberals in their own ridings.



9 posted on 01/15/2004 11:36:10 AM PST by SB00
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To: albertabound
God, Canadians are stupid. (Heh, heh)
10 posted on 01/15/2004 11:39:31 AM PST by Snuffington
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To: SB00
Seems like the new prime minister is also taking steps to push the hardline (and for the most part America hating) lefties out of his Liberal Party. A lot of them are being challenged by pro-Martin Liberals in their own ridings.

Yes. He's doing exactly this, with the most visible example currently being Sheila Copps from Hamilton. The NDP (hard left socialists...imagine a party full of Jesse Jacksons) are starting to approach them. They can have them.

11 posted on 01/15/2004 11:40:12 AM PST by mitchbert (Facts are Stubborn Things)
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To: TastyManatees
I just read every word on the page you linked, and enjoyed it immensely.
12 posted on 01/15/2004 11:41:39 AM PST by Graymatter
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To: SolutionsOnly
Please don't brand all Canadians based on this condescending piece of liberal bravo sierra. Martin is not the choice of the Conservative minority in Canada but we are pleased that he has taken the initiative to mend the fences and that GBW showed the appropriate amount of respect for his position.Canadian Conservatives are working hard to rebuild our party and I believe we are ahead of where the Republicans were back in 1996 with Bob Dole.We may even squeak out a victory in the forthcoming election this spring if the liberals do not continue their swing back to the center.


13 posted on 01/15/2004 11:43:59 AM PST by albertabound
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To: TastyManatees
Condescending twit, isn't he? Mr. Martin can characterize this as a chastened, intellectually inferior Bush bowing to the clear moral and mental superiority of his northern neighbor if it makes him feel better. It certainly doesn't matter to Bush...or to me.
14 posted on 01/15/2004 11:44:08 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: albertabound
We'll be rootin for ya.
15 posted on 01/15/2004 11:50:06 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: baseballmom
Thanks for the info on PM Martin. With his business background, it will be interesting to see the direction he takes Canada.

That Canada is a more statist country than the U.S. should be no secret to anyone here, but that being said there is a distict divide within the Liberal Party as to how that manifests itself vis a vis how they approach the rest of the world. I'll try and illustrate...

Canadians by and large favor a strong social safety net. Those of us on the right disagree with much of this on a fundamental level in terms of how far it should go but it's a fact of life we live with. Where the Liberal split occurs is what the result of this "social consience" says about Canada and Canadians to the rest of the world.

Chretien (leftist) Liberals like to run around bragging to the world how compassionate a country Canada is and telling the rest of humanity how they should emulate us, all the while letting the reality on the ground deteriorate for Canadians if any logical fix steps one step outside their little ideological box.

Martin Liberals would seek to build a country that focuses on Canada first, and let everyone else look at Canada and say "Hey...you've got an interesting approach to that problem. Can you tell us how you did it?"

More simply, imagine this:

Chretien is the guy at the bar that makes a point of loudly announcing to everyone else how great a guy he is while in fact he's nothing more than an arrogant buffoon. Martin would be the guy who never says anything but everyone else at the bar knows he would help anyone who asked. Both are still Liberals who believe in the power of the state to affect change but Martin should prove to be far less ideologically rigid. People like that are usually more willing to look at different approaches that are somewhat out of the Liberal box if it appears there's a chance they will actually work better.

People who don't fundamentally believe they have the definitive answer to every question generally are less arrogant and open to the ideas of others. I hope for my country's sake I'm reading this right. Time will tell.

Thanks.

16 posted on 01/15/2004 11:53:40 AM PST by mitchbert (Facts are Stubborn Things)
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To: albertabound
Another thing that might help the Conservatives is if Martin continues to try and push the Liberal party to the right, there could be vote splitting between the Liberals and the NDP since the NDP is where the lefties will go.
17 posted on 01/15/2004 11:53:41 AM PST by SB00
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Liberals have a habit of self destructing as you well know and we are seeing Martin take a decidedly right wing swing by usurping some of the Conservative agenda in order to stop the unravelling. The old rabble-rousing lefty Anti-American Chretinistas are being ousted and small "c" Conservatives are taking their place. Such is Canadian politics.
18 posted on 01/15/2004 11:58:00 AM PST by albertabound
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To: Billthedrill
As a Canadian, I am thrilled at the new preceived releations between the two leaders.

Unfortunately, we have many left leaning people in this country, as does the USA, who think President Bush is not the smartest knife in the kitchen. It reminds me of how left leaning people in the US and Canada treated Regan in the 1980s.

My own thoughts on Bush are I like him a lot and think highly of his intelligence unlike what ALL left leaning media in the USA and Canada say. I wish we were there officially with his fight in Iraq (note we were there as the third largest support contingent something our former PM doesn't want to talk about for political reasons - just called it fighting terrorism - I hate government spin). I am happy that we are giving a large military contribution in Halfganistan and will continue to do so even after the unfortunate allied bombing that killed our troops and the unfortunate land mine accident that also killed our troops. I am happy we are giving a large contribution in patrolling the Gulf. I am happy we are spending hundreds of millions reconstructing Iraq. I am also happy that we are working on the missle defence system with the Americans.

It is important that Canada and the USA be serious and solid allies for we have to work together on this continent - may it be trading oil for goods or may be for protecting both of our lands - we both need one another (unlike what a few on this board think). Just as important is the relationships at the head of each country becoming solid again. As tensions ease between this solid President and new right leaning PM, then, maybe, just maybe, some on this board will wake up and quit with some of their comments addressed to "all" Canadians, when a left leaning Canadian journalist writes an article.

hawk

19 posted on 01/15/2004 12:07:35 PM PST by hawkaw
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To: albertabound
I don't paint all Canadians with the same brush. I've been pretty dialed into Canada. I still hold Albertans and Interior BC folks in high esteem. Nonetheless, while there are many good folks in Canada, the official 'America is the root of all evil' attitude coming out of Canada (courtesy of the CBC, Globe and Mail, and the Liberal gov't) has really poisoned the atmosphere. I truly hope the conservatives have finally grown up to the point where they can at least 'agree to disagree' and be competetive in elections. But their recent track record of self destruction is dismaying - and they're all that can stop Canada's march into the Euro-abyss. But just when I think Canada is lost, I read something by Mark Steyn and it reminds me that not ALL Canadians have gone off the deep end - but the bubble is quickly burst when I realize that even he is operating offshore these days - kinda like 'in exile'. *sigh*.
20 posted on 01/15/2004 12:38:02 PM PST by SolutionsOnly
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