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Comcast targets Internet `abusers' but won't reveal limits
The Associated Press ^ | Jan 29 2004 12:21PM | Matthew Fordahl

Posted on 01/29/2004 5:28:58 PM PST by FourPeas

By all accounts, George Nussbaum demands a lot from his Internet connection. He streams video and transfers large files from his office. His family downloads movie trailers and his stepson listens to and buys music online.

Nussbaum subscribes to his cable TV provider's high-speed Internet service, which, he thought, was built for such high-bandwidth activities. Then, in November, he got a letter from the provider, Comcast Corp., ordering him to dial down his usage or face service termination.

Until last summer, the service was advertised as "unlimited."

But Comcast, citing a fuzzy "acceptable use" policy, is now cracking down on the heaviest users on the premise that their consumption could degrade neighbors' service.

A number of broadband providers are beginning to offer different tiers of service, charging high-volume users more. Some, particularly wireless providers, charge extra for heavy use.

Comcast, critics say, is trying to impose limits without telling consumers that the service is limited.

Nussbaum, who at first had no idea how many gigabytes he consumed, was willing to cut back. He called to find out by how much, but customer service had no answer. Then he asked how much he used. Again, Comcast wouldn't provide a number.

Last month, Nussbaum got a second letter threatening suspension or termination, so he decided to sign up for a digital subscriber line offered by his phone company, Verizon Communications.

"How am I supposed to know what my limits are?" said Nussbaum, an engineer from Plaistow, N.H. "It was actually kind of ridiculous."

Comcast's letters have been a hot topic of discussion on BroadbandReports.com, a popular online forum. More than 5,000 messages have been posted since the warnings started arriving last summer. Most offer comments, though some are reports of having received a warning.

"They have the right to control their service and offer different services to different people," said David Willis, an analyst at the Meta Group. "The problem is you can't keep changing the rules all the time."

Most broadband companies have vague policies, but Comcast's appears to be the most aggressively enforced. It provides no tools for monitoring bandwidth, and does not give any specific guidance.

Comcast says the few people who receive the warning letters typically consume 100 times more than the average user.

"The total number of customers who have had their service disconnected is well below one one-hundredth of one percent of our overall Internet customer base," spokeswoman Dana Ryan said, reading from a prepared statement.

But the nation's largest cable company refused to reveal the average consumption among its 4.8 million high-speed Internet subscribers. Ryan also would not say how many received warnings or exactly how many have had their accounts suspended or terminated.

A senior Comcast technician, who asked to remain anonymous for fear of losing his job, said letter-triggering usage is typically about 100 gigabytes a month, though it varies from city to city.

A hundred gigabytes of usage a month may not strain the system but some abusers, he said, consume more than a terabyte of data each month -- equal to about 1,000 gigabytes, or 1,000 copies of the Encyclopedia Britannica. Many run Web servers or offer copyright music or videos. Thirty minutes of high-quality video can consume up to a gigabyte.

Excessive use is a problem for Comcast and other providers because they must predict bandwidth use and buy the capacity. If too much is consumed, not only can the local network bog down; it also could affect Comcast's profit margin.

The enforcement comes as cable companies are trying to maintain their lead over DSL, which offers high-speed access over phone lines. Comcast and several other cable firms are doubling their top download speeds to 3 megabits per second, which makes it easier for users to consume more bandwidth and cross any limits.

DSL providers are fighting back by dropping prices -- as low as $27 a month, compared to Comcast's $43. The phone companies stress that they don't restrict usage.

They're less likely to do so because digital subscriber lines are not shared until they reach the phone company's facility. Cable users share the same data pipe with their neighbors.

"I am not aware of any DSL provider that limits the number of bytes available or charges more if a circuit is used more," said Verizon spokesman Eric Rabe.

But cable companies have a history of limiting use. Until recently, for example, Comcast specifically barred its residential customers from using virtual private networking software, which creates secure connections for telecommuters, unless they upgraded to the business plan.

"The cable companies in the U.S. have this history of trying to engineer multiple, tiers, multiple grades of service," Willis said. "So far they've been highly unsuccessful in doing that."

People who received Comcast's bandwidth abuse letters and were willing to discuss their usage patterns publicly were shocked at the "Twilight Zone" experiences they had with customer support.

Randy Jackson of Colonia, N.J. received form letters with blank date fields. Longtime subscriber Tallon Nishihata of suburban Tacoma, Wash., said his letters referred him to a pricey business-grade service that's not available in his area.

One man, a British expatriate in Philadelphia who used to transfer home movies to family in Europe, asked for anonymity because he feared Comcast would unplug him, leaving him with nothing but a dial-up connection because he doesn't qualify for DSL.

"They play the card that I've been causing problems for people in the neighborhood," he said. "If that's the case, that's fair enough, but show me some evidence."


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1 posted on 01/29/2004 5:29:01 PM PST by FourPeas
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To: FourPeas
Brings to mind the old adage: If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.
2 posted on 01/29/2004 5:33:38 PM PST by Ciexyz
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To: FourPeas
AH HA. They have advised me that i was using my "unlimited" service too much as well. I explained that I had paid for unlimited service PERIOD. I dont think they have a legal leg to stand on since i havent been warned of my overuse again.
3 posted on 01/29/2004 5:34:39 PM PST by cripplecreek (.50 cal border fence)
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To: FourPeas
A buddy of mine got a letter from Comcast. He's been d'loading alot of usenet stuff. ;-)
4 posted on 01/29/2004 5:35:24 PM PST by TomServo ("Why does the most evil man in the world live in a Stuckeys?")
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To: FourPeas
Comcast restricted us on bandwidth so I immediately switched to their competitor, Knology.

Knology is mostly fibre-optic here and the service is much better. Been happy ever since.

Comcast still hasn't gotten used to having a competitor yet, so they continue to lose customers on both their digital tv cable and internet.

Dealing with them is like dealing with a the government (like DMV) so that increased the incentive to leave them.

5 posted on 01/29/2004 5:36:22 PM PST by capt. norm (No sense being pessimistic, it probably wouldn't work anyway.)
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To: FourPeas
sounds like Comcast wants the "gym-membership" mentality ... $50 a month from people who don't show up to use the services ...

sounds like a class-action lawsuit to me for false advertising ... they do say unlimited in the ads I've seen ...

thanks for the warning ...
6 posted on 01/29/2004 5:37:13 PM PST by Bobby777
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To: FourPeas
Among an industry known for really bad, arrogant service, Comcast is the worst of the worst. Comcast is the reason I switched to satellite service five years ago. I've never regretted it.
7 posted on 01/29/2004 5:38:33 PM PST by clintonh8r ("Hugh" and "series" are SO last year....)
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To: FourPeas
It's just ridiculous the number of providers who offer unlimited bandwidth, but then moan when someone actually pushes it to the brink of "unlimited". Reminds me of the guy who collected the million Pepsi thingies (caps?) to get his fighter jet.

Don't offer it if you don't mean it. Web hosts are bad about this too.
8 posted on 01/29/2004 5:39:16 PM PST by kenth (This is not a tagline. You, sir, are hallucinating.)
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To: FourPeas
The cable companies in the U.S. have this history of trying to engineer multiple, tiers, multiple grades of service," Willis said. "So far they've been highly unsuccessful in doing that."

Yes, indeed it is the cable companies who have this predatory history of confusing pricing structures.

Why can't those maroons offer simple pricing - just like those simple rates that my cell phone provider, my satellite dish provider, my local phone provider offer .... Or better yet, those simple pricing structures of airlines....? / sarcasm off

9 posted on 01/29/2004 5:41:53 PM PST by bwteim
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To: FourPeas
A DSL Commercial uses the term "Web Hog" for cable users.
10 posted on 01/29/2004 5:43:50 PM PST by Mark (Treason doth never prosper, for if it prosper, NONE DARE CALL IT TREASON.)
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To: Bobby777
sounds like Comcast wants the "gym-membership" mentality ... $50 a month from people who don't show up to use the services ... sounds like a class-action lawsuit to me for false advertising ... they do say unlimited in the ads I've seen ... thanks for the warning ...

Had to laugh at that comment about the gym membership mentality. So true...

11 posted on 01/29/2004 5:44:16 PM PST by Blue Highway
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To: FourPeas
I'd been considering replacing my 26kbps (on a good day) dial-up service, but if the only alternative is Comcast I'm not switching. A corporation that operates like this is not to be trusted.
12 posted on 01/29/2004 5:45:12 PM PST by Eala (Sacrificing tagline fame for... TRAD ANGLICAN RESOURCE PAGE: http://eala.freeservers.com/anglican)
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To: Blue Highway
yep ... I signed up for a year ... but because of an injury (due to a faulty machine at that same gym) I didn't work out as much as I used to ... paid for well over a year though ... never again ...
13 posted on 01/29/2004 5:47:43 PM PST by Bobby777
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To: FourPeas
We are on Comcast and we have multiple computers on our high speed network here in the house. Comcast just DOUBLED our speed. We went from 1700Kbps to a whopping blazing 3400Kbps even at night when everyone else is on the net. We have NEVER been warned about our useage.
14 posted on 01/29/2004 5:47:55 PM PST by teletech (Is Saddam room temperature yet?)
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To: kenth
It's just ridiculous the number of providers who offer unlimited bandwidth, but then moan when someone actually pushes it to the brink of "unlimited".

What's more, even if you really did max your connection 24/7, the real cost in terms of bandwidth today for a well run ISP is going to be pretty small. The cost of the core (non-oversubscribed) bandwidth for Comcast's 90GB/mo limit is currently about $5 wholesale. Seeing as how it is almost certainly over-subscribed, it probably costs them less than that in practical terms. It makes one wonder what they are whining about since the customer is paying a hell of a lot more than $5.

15 posted on 01/29/2004 5:48:24 PM PST by tortoise (All these moments lost in time, like tears in the rain.)
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To: teletech
I'm in a high usage area also, and this is only my 7th month using Comcast. So far so good, other than one technical glitch which they fixed.
16 posted on 01/29/2004 5:49:42 PM PST by Beck_isright ("Those who stand for nothing fall for anything."-Alexander Hamilton)
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To: FourPeas
Until last summer, the service was advertised as "unlimited." But Comcast, citing a fuzzy "acceptable use" policy, is now cracking down on the heaviest users on the premise that their consumption could degrade neighbors' service.

Jerks. This is bait and switch, pure and simple.

17 posted on 01/29/2004 5:50:03 PM PST by Lazamataz (Have you prayed to President Bush today?)
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To: teletech
Same here, 2 computers running at the same time nearly 24 hours per day because im disabled (crippled as i tell my PC friends) MY wife is online another 5 or 6 hours per day.
18 posted on 01/29/2004 5:51:36 PM PST by cripplecreek (.50 cal border fence)
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To: Bobby777
sounds like Comcast wants the "gym-membership" mentality ... $50 a month from people who don't show up to use the services ...

I'm lovin' my gym membership. I go nearly every day.

And I love that almost no one goes after they sign up. I have the pool to myself very often. :o)

19 posted on 01/29/2004 5:51:50 PM PST by Lazamataz (Have you prayed to President Bush today?)
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To: Beck_isright
I'm in a high usage area also, and this is only my 7th month using Comcast. So far so good, other than one technical glitch which they fixed.

I should have added that when they doubled our download speed at NO EXTRA COST! I was told they are doing this nationwide. They just completed most, if not all, of the Chicago area.

20 posted on 01/29/2004 5:53:34 PM PST by teletech (Is Saddam room temperature yet?)
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