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IT jobs: US creating 'em, India getting 'em
ECONOMICTIMES.COM ^ | THURSDAY, AUGUST 05, 2004

Posted on 08/04/2004 3:09:37 PM PDT by Willie Green

NEW DELHI: Currently, there is a great demand of hi-tech IT jobs in the US. The Reason, however, is obvious. The country has lost thousands of technical jobs to India, as a result of which unemployment is rising amongst the American youth.

According to sources, joblessness has nearly doubled in the last three years, while the number of Americans calling themselves IT professionals has decreased by nearly 160,000.

In typical doublespeak, even the US government has agreed that the tech jobs are not likely to stay onshore, despite the growth in demand....

(Excerpt) Read more at economictimes.indiatimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: employmentlist; globalism; it; outsourcing; residentbushbasher; thebusheconomy; trade
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1 posted on 08/04/2004 3:09:41 PM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green

Well, at least they got the reason correct. It's cheaper.


2 posted on 08/04/2004 3:11:12 PM PDT by PokeyJoe (They are RATS, not RATICS)
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To: Willie Green

So much for the "Information Economy"


3 posted on 08/04/2004 3:17:29 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Willie Green

I'm in IT, have been for 8 years. 2000-2002 was a pretty rough stretch, but the job market has picked up in Dallas and I am now working for more money than I ever made before. I am still receiving 2-3 calls per week of eomploers and agencies trying to fill jobs... in fact, I turned down an interview with Microsoft just last week.


4 posted on 08/04/2004 3:18:25 PM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (Where’s my fu©king balloons?!)
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To: Lunatic Fringe

What kind of systems do you work on?

Are you writing software or maintaining systems?


5 posted on 08/04/2004 3:21:12 PM PDT by webstersII
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To: Willie Green; HAL9000; Bush2000; Lazamataz; Dominic Harr; Nick Danger
First Indian Tank Suffers 20 Year Software Crisis

The above link shows, among other things, a 20 year IT effort for India's first domestically-produced battle tank has had large amounts of trouble, delays, and cost overruns.

But hey, the labor for all of those hours was "cheap!"

5 Legislative Days Left Until The AWB Expires

6 posted on 08/04/2004 3:22:08 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Lunatic Fringe
I've been in IT since the early 80's. Never had it better. Big money and stock options.

Willie's just helping Kerry out here a bit.

7 posted on 08/04/2004 3:24:17 PM PDT by narby (Lt. Kerry - veteran of Me Lie)
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To: webstersII

I'm a network admin. I'm also going to college to become a programmer.


8 posted on 08/04/2004 3:27:27 PM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (Where’s my fu©king balloons?!)
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To: Lunatic Fringe

I've been in IT around the same amount of time, and haven't had an issue either. I do know that I've had to remain a moving target, swapping specialties whenever prudent. One cannot just have an MCP and assume employment for life.


9 posted on 08/04/2004 3:31:47 PM PDT by SoDak
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To: Willie Green

There is no shortage of IT jobs for those that are technically competent, up-to-date with their skills, and flexible with location.


10 posted on 08/04/2004 3:36:27 PM PDT by glorgau
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To: SoDak

Have any of you guys noticed the incredible lust for certifications that has transpired since the bottom fell out of the tech industry a few years ago? Seems no one cares about practical experience and know how, just how many certifications do you have. I do have Cisco cert by the way, but I have run across some folks that have the almighty certifications that couldn't route or troubleshoot their way out of a paper bag.


11 posted on 08/04/2004 3:39:08 PM PDT by Delbert
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To: Willie Green
I've been in the telecom business for 25 years. I am currently working on a project where most of the coding is done in India. These guys are not supermen. Any company that thinks they are is going to get burned big time.
12 posted on 08/04/2004 3:45:44 PM PDT by beef ("Blessed are the geeks, for they shall inherit the earth.")
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To: Delbert
Have any of you guys noticed the incredible lust for certifications that has transpired since the bottom fell out of the tech industry a few years ago?

The whole idea of "certifications" is a relatively recent phenomenon, which would answer why it's growing. I suspect that hiring people with such things is the easy way out for personnel folks.

I don't really have to put up with certs, because I write embedded software, and there really aren't any certs for that.

Perhaps embedded "C" software doesn't count as "IT", but my background goes back to Cobol and banking software that certainly now constitutes "IT".

13 posted on 08/04/2004 3:49:05 PM PDT by narby (Lt. Kerry - veteran of Me Lie)
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To: Willie Green

LOL, they aren't hiding behind the productivity argument anymore. Guess all the grilling has shown them they can't hide.


14 posted on 08/04/2004 3:52:06 PM PDT by Havoc (.)
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To: Delbert

Employers who look only for certifications are going to get burned big time, too. Everyone knows people whose primary expertise is taking tests. Engineering school faculties are packed with them. I don't even want that kind of job. What's the 1/2 life of one of these certs, a year? It's not worth the bother.


15 posted on 08/04/2004 3:53:03 PM PDT by beef ("Blessed are the geeks, for they shall inherit the earth.")
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To: glorgau
"There is no shortage of IT jobs for those that are technically competent, up-to-date with their skills, and flexible with location. "

Not true here in NY/NJ/CT. I can write you a book about the IT field and how it has collapsed. I jumped out and now and doing something else. Good luck to you! Network Security is the place to migrate.

16 posted on 08/04/2004 4:00:15 PM PDT by Afronaut (Press two for English.)
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To: narby

The certifications mania grows out of the CMM, CMMI and PMI mindsets that have KPAs for certifications and qualifications. Since it is a buyer market they can get away with it for now.


17 posted on 08/04/2004 4:01:06 PM PDT by CasearianDaoist
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To: Afronaut
Network Security is the place to migrate.

Watch out! Everybody is going there!

The simple truth - nothing is safe.
18 posted on 08/04/2004 4:09:16 PM PDT by chukcha
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To: Afronaut
"There is no shortage of IT jobs for those that are technically competent, up-to-date with their skills, and flexible with location. "

Not true here in NY/NJ/CT.


See you're not following the last caveat. Just be more flexible!

I'll throw in that I've seen a slight uptick in tech jobs in Seattle, but its been depressed for the last three years.
19 posted on 08/04/2004 4:10:06 PM PDT by lelio
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To: beef

I had to look at you post with amazement. It's funny how competence has been replaced by this crap. But, it has been coming for quite awhile. I usually stay way clear of job posting that list these first as a requirement without qualification, and yes have a number of them but by themselves they are worthless.


20 posted on 08/04/2004 4:14:37 PM PDT by WHBates
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