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1 posted on 11/17/2004 7:00:49 PM PST by Pikamax
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The terrorists in Holland woke up the sleeping Euros, who are joining increasing numbers of Arabs and Muslims to question the calls for jihad.


2 posted on 11/17/2004 7:10:59 PM PST by eagle11 (Judge a religion not by the words of its adherents, but by their actions.)
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This tape tells George Bush: 'Leave us alone and we will leave you alone.'" According to the French academic Gilles Kepel Bin Laden's holy war, as originally conceived, is failing....

Yet the age of jihad is far from over, he suggests. Instead, the battleground may be shifting to Europe.

Well, of course. The colloquial term is "Duh"

We stood up to the terrorists. GWB showed backbone. The terrorists backed down.

By contrast, Europe tried appeasement. Throughout history that has failed.

From a simple military standpoint, the terrorists are going after the soft target and are leaving the hard target alone, at least comparatively.

The technical term for this in the military is maneuver warfare.

Too bad for the Euroweasels. Pity.

3 posted on 11/17/2004 7:11:16 PM PST by 2ndreconmarine
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Quote: Yet we still don't know how big it is," "We still, today, don't know al-Qaida's order of battle."

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I think that is largely false. Whe have a significant portions of the leadership in custody, and It seems highly unlikely that all of them are stone-walling. Given the general level of cowardice exhibited by these so called "masterminds" and the fact that they have been kept out of range of the US courts and in undisclosed locations in countries where torture and drug use are allowed, I suspect they are singing like birds.

I do agree with much of the article which suggests that the battle will be moved to Europe where they have a much better chance of success.

US muslims, by and large chose to remain silent, neither condemming nor overtly supporting al-Qaida.

I don't think the same will be true in Europe, where half of Paris is Muslim and becoming quite radicalized.

Old Europe's 9/11 is yet to come.


4 posted on 11/17/2004 7:16:18 PM PST by konaice
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Alternatively, Europe is a temptingly weak target, and the U.S. has proved a hard nut.

Gay Paris, here they come!


5 posted on 11/17/2004 7:16:20 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Democrat Obstructionists will be Daschled!)
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That is good news for us - terrible news for Europe. Their politically correct societies can't comprehend pure evil, and they will appease their way to their own destruction. Their sell-out of Israel assures their fate. On another note, I heard on FOX that Egypt has been invaded by millions and millions of locusts. Wasn't Egypt the place where 16 Israelis were murdered several weeks ago?


7 posted on 11/17/2004 7:26:39 PM PST by wewon (i fought the moderator, and the moderator won.)
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Phase One: Lose your ass.

Phase Two: Lose your ass.

Phase Three Euro Version: See phase One.


9 posted on 11/17/2004 7:28:47 PM PST by telebob
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The challenge for Europe is thus how best to integrate these Muslim populations.

Simple: reduce them through evangelization and immigration restrictions, while having more Christian babies as a counterweight to Islamic fecundity. Deny any concession to Sharia.

10 posted on 11/17/2004 7:31:44 PM PST by Fatalis
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Well I hope they pull their head out of the sand before the get kicked in the crotch but i think as history has shown Europe dose little until after they get a few hard kicks in the nether region.
11 posted on 11/17/2004 7:56:28 PM PST by RichLane
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"This tape tells George Bush: 'Leave us alone and we will leave you alone.'"

And what did George Bush say?

"According to the French academic Gilles Kepel Bin Laden's holy war, as originally conceived, is failing."

Yes. Kepel's right. And the reason it's failing it this: The expert, brialliant, and resolute leadership of one man--George Bush.

"The principal goal of terrorism - to seize power in Muslim countries through mobilisation of populations galvanised by jihad's sheer audacity - has not been realised."

Right. Because George Bush has more audacity, is smarter, and is on the side of God.

"The battleground may be shifting to Europe."

It is. Because President Bush and the American people have shown the jihidis that they cannot succeed in the U.S.--though they have never stopped trying.

9/11 has never been repeated--dispite the jihidis best efforts--despite the Super Bowl and the 2004 elections and everything else. The reason--George Bush and his supurb leadership!

Europe, on the other hand, led by confused, corrupt appeasers, lost, uncertain, and bogged down in a quagmire of decadence, is an easy mark.

"The most important battle in the war for Muslim minds during the next decade will be fought not in Palestine or Iraq but in communities of believers on the outskirts of London, Paris and other European cities."

They won't be fought in American cities. That's for sure! Thanks to President Bush and the people of the American Heartland!

"The challenge for Europe is thus how best to integrate these Muslim populations."

What if they don't want to be integrated?

"The so-called 'clash of civilisations' is moving closer to home."

Yes. It is. And so far, many European leaders are still in denial that it even exists. Lotsa luck!

12 posted on 11/17/2004 8:05:45 PM PST by Savage Beast (PEST-sufferers, North Korea awaits you!)
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Islam is Nazism. I say give them what they want and unleash hell.


15 posted on 11/17/2004 8:25:55 PM PST by SQUID
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What the Euros don't understand is that Islamofascism is like water--it will run downhill in the easiest place.

Bush is making America like a walled fortress so the water will run around it and downhill to the Europeans.

Too bad, but they will have to build their own dike.


21 posted on 11/17/2004 9:05:43 PM PST by wildbill
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Muslim minds an oxymoron...


25 posted on 11/17/2004 11:17:58 PM PST by tkathy (There will be no world peace until all thuggocracies are gone from the earth.)
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We aught not forget that this article is only purest speculation. The notion that terrorists will strike Europe is not particularly helpful in winning this war unless one defines the nature of the strike. Will it be limited to a Madrid sized affair or a giant hit like 9/11? If the former, it will not do much more than add momentum to the appeasers, as it did in Spain.

The real fear in this war is a strike, or multiple strikes, with WMDs causing massive casualties and economic disruption. This is dangerous beyond the horror of the actual deaths involved because these massive asymmetrical attacks threaten western democracy itself. No one can guarantee how America will behave under the weight of the terror caused by a virus on the loose and the collapse of our economy. Would we send Jimmy Carter to cut a deal? If we cannot be sure how we will behave, even less can we predict the reactions of the Euroweenies.

On the other hand, a strike in Europe could easily change the entire dynamic in our favor and turn Europe into an aggressive ally. Al Quaida does not know the answer to this speculation either and will therefore decide the issue out of ingnorance, wishful thinking, desperation and superstition - which makes them so dangerous and unpredictable. But, in war it is always the better part of prudence to assume that the enemy will do what he should do. In this case I would conclude that the attacks will be aimed at America because an intelligent adversary will not make Hitler's mistake and gratuitously increase his enemies.

Finally, we cannot assume that terrorists are monolithic, that is, coordinated. French Muslim terrorists undoubtedly have different aspirations than Filipino terrorists. So we cannot assume that French terrorists, for example, will defer their ambitions for the greater good of the terrorist war effort and refrain from striking Paris over head scarves.

My bet is that the first group to get WMD will use it and no one can predict where that will be nor can anyone confidently predict the reaction of our western democracies. We can only thank God that we have Bush and not Kerry to turn to.
26 posted on 11/18/2004 12:48:58 AM PST by nathanbedford
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