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Size of Bankruptcy Bubble Surprises Banks
nytimes.com ^ | October 25, 2005 | ERIC DASH

Posted on 10/25/2005 5:47:47 AM PDT by TXBSAFH

The number of bankruptcy filings made before a tough new law went into effect on Oct. 17 caught even the credit card issuers who supported the law by surprise.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Government; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: bank; bankrupt; bankruptcy; cash; credit; creditcard; debt; interest; katrina; mastercard; visa
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This is all I could get without loggin in. BUt it shoudl prove interesting.
1 posted on 10/25/2005 5:47:47 AM PDT by TXBSAFH
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To: TXBSAFH

By ERIC DASH
Published: October 25, 2005
For more than eight years, big banks lobbied aggressively to make it harder for consumers to file for bankruptcy.

Now that the new bankruptcy law has taken effect, was the investment worth it? The early data suggest that sometimes, you have to be careful what you wish for.

Bankruptcy filings were supposed to snowball in the months before the tough new law went into effect on Oct. 17. But the avalanche of petitions, and the lines of debtors streaming out the courthouse doors caught even the credit card issuers who supported the new law by surprise.

In recent days, the five biggest bank issuers of credit cards have said that the unexpectedly large flood of filings shaved hundreds of million of dollars off their earnings in the third quarter.

But with tens of thousands of petitions still being processed and Hurricane Katrina's impact on cardholders still being sorted out, the bankruptcy rush is likely to result in well over a billion dollars worth of losses by the end of the year.


2 posted on 10/25/2005 5:52:16 AM PDT by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
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To: TXBSAFH

Heard on CNBC that Capitol One got hammered. That didn't surprise me, since they were one of the most egregious companies in sending out unsolicited cards. My prediction is that far fewer people will be using credit cards with the new credit laws in effect, and that all the credit card companies will be hurting next year.


3 posted on 10/25/2005 5:58:52 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: sure_fine

Hee Hee Hee! Aw, poor little bankers lost more money than they tought they would? Good...


4 posted on 10/25/2005 6:00:02 AM PDT by Mathews (Shot... Splash... Out!)
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To: TXBSAFH

And they're surprised because.....?


5 posted on 10/25/2005 6:00:21 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: kittymyrib

My wife and I use our cards only for the points. We pay them off every month. It is the only way to go.


6 posted on 10/25/2005 6:00:32 AM PDT by TXBSAFH (The GOP needs to be made to toe the conservative line, not the other way around.)
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To: sure_fine

A billion dollars is peanuts to the credit industry. Check out, if you can, how much Visa and MC make from just clearing the credit card transactions alone.


7 posted on 10/25/2005 6:01:09 AM PDT by ikka
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To: sure_fine
...the bankruptcy rush is likely to result in well over a billion dollars worth of losses by the end of the year.

That'll pale in comparison to their losses in the years and decades to come. You get what you pay for, now get used to it. Blackbird.

8 posted on 10/25/2005 6:02:21 AM PDT by BlackbirdSST ("Read my Lips, no new Taxes" G.W Bush "Trust me!" G.H.W Bush...do I have that right?)
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To: Mathews

Gee, maybe they should've thought about all this before they started issuing credit cards and loans to anybody, everybody and all the pets too.


9 posted on 10/25/2005 6:04:54 AM PDT by kx9088
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To: kittymyrib

Congress passed a law many years ago that if you received an unsolicited card in the mail you could not be held liable for the debt incurred.


10 posted on 10/25/2005 6:07:12 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: TXBSAFH

Not really. Studies show that if you use a credit card, you will spend about 15% more than if you use cash.


11 posted on 10/25/2005 6:08:20 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: TXBSAFH
My wife and I use our cards only for the points. We pay them off every month. It is the only way to go.

My wife and I have been discussing doing the same thing. We have been cash flowing everything and not charging or dipping into savings. Any suggestions on a good card to use?

Her sister does this with a Delta Sky Miles card issued by AMEX. But I'm a little concerned since AMEX is not a universally accepted. Plus, I don't want to pay the fee.

12 posted on 10/25/2005 6:10:23 AM PDT by joesbucks
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To: kx9088

I know a guy who works for Chase Card now and he has been known to feel guilty for what he does. Not that guilty though.


13 posted on 10/25/2005 6:10:44 AM PDT by Thebaddog (K9 Bmine)
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To: kittymyrib

Yeah, a lot of them get what they asked for. They just send these pre-approved cards out to anyone, then complain about non-payment.


14 posted on 10/25/2005 6:12:19 AM PDT by CommieCutter
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To: TXBSAFH

>>>My wife and I use our cards only for the points. We pay them off every month. It is the only way to go.<<<

Absolutely.


15 posted on 10/25/2005 6:15:12 AM PDT by PhilipFreneau ("The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God." -- Psalms 14:1, 53:1)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

It is soooo easy to spend using a card. I am surprised it's that low. We have one card and pay it off every month. I also keep track of it online to keep up with our charges and make sure no one has gotten hold of our number. (Through charges I know we haven't made)


16 posted on 10/25/2005 6:15:39 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: joesbucks

I'd go with one with straight cash back. A lot now offer 2.5-5% cash back at Gas stations and grocery stores. I know Citi and Chase do.


17 posted on 10/25/2005 6:16:27 AM PDT by rb22982
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To: TXBSAFH
But Jeffrey A. Tassey, the lobbyist who put together a coalition of lenders to support the new bankruptcy legislation, said that improving collection was beside the point. "Around the margins, over time, the bill is worth it. It is always worth it to have a fair and honest system," he said. "But in terms of order of magnitude of recovery, no."

"improving collection was beside the point"?!

Putting the spin on this bad law. "It will make matters worse, but it is for the sake of fairness and honesty!"

18 posted on 10/25/2005 6:18:16 AM PDT by A. Pole (Halloween's lesson to children: "give me some candy, or I'll vandalize something.")
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To: TXBSAFH
My wife and I use our cards only for the points. We pay them off every month. It is the only way to go.

Yes but those 'points' cost the retailer 5% or so, so in the end you are paying a the price for those points in the form of higher prices. But there is not much you can do if most other people are using them.

19 posted on 10/25/2005 6:18:46 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: TXBSAFH

My wife and I play them off against each other. We both have two platinum cards each, in our own names. When CITI is charging me 14% and Chase calls her and tells her she can have 9%, I call CITI and threaten to move the card. They always cave.

Currently, she has one Chase card with 0% for 12 months and I just got an offer from CITI for 2.9% balance transfer for the life of the transfer.

I think the max we pay on any one card (with a balance) is 4.9%.


20 posted on 10/25/2005 6:19:37 AM PDT by CTOCS (This space left intentionally blank...)
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