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Public Support for Bush Slips to New Low (AP spin)
Yahoo News ^ | 11/4/2005 | WILL LESTER, Associated Press Writer

Posted on 11/04/2005 10:18:16 AM PST by manwiththehands

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To: jveritas

Indeed, much can happen in a year. And exit polls are notoriously unreliable.

None of that has anything to do with opinion polls as an illustrator of opinion at a given time. If the election had been held in February 2004, Kerry would have beaten Bush by a decent margin. Then America got to know Kerry. The February 2004 polls weren't wrong, they just weren't measuring the election outcome.

I'm confused as to what you're arguing. Do you think Bush is at the top of his game right now? Do you think he is popular and widely respected by most Americans? Do you think people weren't upset at the feds after Katrina?


41 posted on 11/04/2005 10:58:54 AM PST by HostileTerritory
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To: italianquaker

Do you believe Bush is widely popular right now? Do you think the Harriet Miers incident was a triumph that made people think more highly of him?


42 posted on 11/04/2005 10:59:34 AM PST by HostileTerritory
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To: jbwbubba
Public Support for Bush Slips to New Low (AP spin)

Public belief of anything the MSM puts out slips to new low.

Party ID of AP/Ipsos poll respondents:
Democrat-49% Republican-40% Independent 9%

43 posted on 11/04/2005 11:00:13 AM PST by RJL
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To: jveritas

On section D2, the poll also indicates that 13% of the respondants were unemployed. Last I heard there was 5% unemployment nationally. I'm sure they were evenly split between the Unemployed For Bush, and the Unemployed Against Bush.


44 posted on 11/04/2005 11:00:57 AM PST by neodad (Rule Number 1: Be Armed)
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To: neodad

Great point.


45 posted on 11/04/2005 11:01:31 AM PST by jveritas (The Axis of Defeatism: Left wing liberals, Buchananites, and third party voters.)
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To: HostileTerritory

What i dont beleve are the fake polls and I see strong support for the prez as it relates to Alito, he learned his lesson well about Miers, dont try to satisfy the msm dems or fake polls take care of the base and they will take care of you


46 posted on 11/04/2005 11:02:14 AM PST by italianquaker (Bush Derangement syndrome coming to a theatre near you)
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To: jveritas

The 2004 election poll at your link is just one exit poll (look again). I explictly said any one poll is suspect, but that a trend can be seen by looking at several polls.

The 2002 polls you cite show advanatges to both the GOP and the Dems. And the spread isn't very wide. The polls aren't wrong - some are just more right than others.

This isn't very meaningful at all.

Now you have a situation where numerous the polls consistently show the President's approval around 40%. They simply can't all be wrong and have to reflect some sentiment in the electorate.


47 posted on 11/04/2005 11:03:15 AM PST by HitmanLV (Listen to my demos for Savage Nation contest: http://www.geocities.com/mr_vinnie_vegas/index.html)
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To: italianquaker

But if those poll reflects dynmaics that cost us political power, shouldn't that be addressed.

Or do we want to get spanked like 1998?


48 posted on 11/04/2005 11:04:14 AM PST by HitmanLV (Listen to my demos for Savage Nation contest: http://www.geocities.com/mr_vinnie_vegas/index.html)
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To: HostileTerritory
I think that President Bush is doing mcuh better than these biased polls are showing. He is respected by the majority of people who work hard, believe in this country, want this country to win the war on terror, and pay their taxes. Among likely voters President Bush has at least 50% support if the polls are made using the method I described in an earlier post on this thread. The majority of people were not upset at the feds at Katrina, they were first upset at the idiots who stayed behind and second at the incompetent local and government leaders of New Orleans and Louisiana.
49 posted on 11/04/2005 11:07:13 AM PST by jveritas (The Axis of Defeatism: Left wing liberals, Buchananites, and third party voters.)
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To: HitmanNY

Note the pollsters are not really asking those questions about satisfaction with democrats.

THe democrat strategy, with MSM helping them, is to spread doom and gloom. That has worked, with everybody upset with the direction of the country, and the economy, and everything else.

This malaise has hurt all politicians, but the dems hope that next year they can somehow overcome their negatives.


50 posted on 11/04/2005 11:09:24 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: HitmanNY

Wrong again. The majority of polls in the link I showed showed that in 2002 Democrats had an advantage over Republicans and more so in the polls of registered voters than likely voters. These majority of these polls were terribly biased and wrong.


51 posted on 11/04/2005 11:10:24 AM PST by jveritas (The Axis of Defeatism: Left wing liberals, Buchananites, and third party voters.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Yes. And I don't doubt the president and the GOP will bounce back in the next year. There is no reason they shouldn't.


52 posted on 11/04/2005 11:10:30 AM PST by HitmanLV (Listen to my demos for Savage Nation contest: http://www.geocities.com/mr_vinnie_vegas/index.html)
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To: HitmanNY

you have to look at the numbers and they tell the truth not the msm lies


53 posted on 11/04/2005 11:10:33 AM PST by italianquaker (Bush Derangement syndrome coming to a theatre near you)
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To: HostileTerritory

Who cares? Nobody cares, half the people do not know of the Miers incident and they do not know who "Scooter Libby" is. Americans are asleep. They do not care to even know the threat of Militant Islam. I love my President and all I care about is national security.


54 posted on 11/04/2005 11:10:41 AM PST by angcat
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To: HitmanNY
A year ago the President boasted about having political capital and using it. Now, it's all gone and he has nothing to show for it.

John Roberts as Chief Justice, the Energy Policy Act, CAFTA, a rising representative democracy in liberated and sovereign Iraq with two hugely successful national elections and the passage of a constitution, Syrian troops pulling out of Lebanon, democratic movements growing in the Middle East, signed a bill that will put an end to junk lawsuits against the firearms industry, John Bolton appointed Ambassador to the UN, Judge Priscilla Owen confirmed to Fifth Circuit, Patient Safety and Quality Improvement Act of 2005, Class-Action Fairness Act of 2005, Alito nominated to USSC, thousands of terrorists dead, captured or running for their lives ...

Yeah, what a whole lotta nothing that slacker of a prez has to show for the past year.

55 posted on 11/04/2005 11:11:20 AM PST by AHerald ("Take heart; rise, he is calling you." Mark 10:49)
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To: jveritas

Which Massachusetts are you living in?

I know better than to assume the rest of the country thinks the same way as everyone I meet in this state, but even filtering that out, people I know in more conservative parts of the country are feeling uneasy.


56 posted on 11/04/2005 11:12:44 AM PST by HostileTerritory
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To: jveritas

Look at the last polls for each of them again. They are all over the place. Some show dem advantage, some show gop advantage. Most are very close.

Bush's current ratings aren't close.


57 posted on 11/04/2005 11:13:11 AM PST by HitmanLV (Listen to my demos for Savage Nation contest: http://www.geocities.com/mr_vinnie_vegas/index.html)
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To: angcat

Congratulations, you're part of the 37-39%.


58 posted on 11/04/2005 11:13:29 AM PST by HostileTerritory
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To: neodad

It used to be they asked those side questions to make sure their polls weren't biased. Now they don't care.

No rational pollster would publish the results of a poll where factual questions yielded results wildly at odds with reality.

If you got 13% unemployed in your poll, you oversampled people that are going to be upset with the direction of the country.

That said, do we expect republicans to still show up as being upset with Bush after another month or two, as we get over the Miers thing and the congress actually takes action on lowering the budget (if ever so slightly). Won't Bush's recent push through Chertoff on immigration help a little?


59 posted on 11/04/2005 11:13:30 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: AHerald

Much of what you cite have nothing to do with the judicous use of the political capital. Bush's biggest gamble was Social Security reform - that never gained traction and pulled him down.


60 posted on 11/04/2005 11:15:21 AM PST by HitmanLV (Listen to my demos for Savage Nation contest: http://www.geocities.com/mr_vinnie_vegas/index.html)
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