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The third way in abortion debate (SF Chronicle trots out "Safe legal & rare" = pro-life)
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | Tuesday, February 14, 2006

Posted on 02/14/2006 9:48:17 AM PST by presidio9

FOR MANY staunch supporters and opponents of abortion rights, the search for a third way on the issue seems like so much phony political positioning.

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But there is a new argument on abortion that may establish a more authentic middle ground. It would use government not to outlaw abortion altogether, but to reduce its likelihood. And at least one politician, Thomas R. Suozzi, the county executive of New York's Nassau County, has shown that the position involves more than soothing rhetoric.

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This is a matter on which no good deed goes unpunished, and Suozzi was immediately denounced by Kelli Conlin, executive director of NARAL Pro-Choice New York, for the grants that went to abstinence-only programs that, she insisted, do not work.

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Nancy Keenan, the president of the national NARAL group, is also stressing prevention. Her organization ran an advertisement last year explicitly inviting the "right-to-life movement" to join in an effort to "help us prevent abortions." Usually, NARAL's allies refer to abortion opponents as "anti-choice," so the conciliatory language itself was a welcome departure. At the federal level, NARAL is pushing for a bill promoting contraception introduced by Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid.

Right about this point, I can see my friends in the right-to-life movement rolling their eyes and insisting that all this prevention talk is a dodge. Maybe so, but my question to them is whether they honestly think that their political strategy, focused on knocking down Roe and making abortion illegal, will actually protect fetal life by substantially reducing the number of abortions.

Even if Roe falls, legislatures in the most populous states are likely to keep abortion legal. And if a ban on abortion were ever to take hold, does anyone doubt that a large, illegal abortion industry would quickly come into being?

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abortion; abortionlist; buhbye; safelegalrare
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1 posted on 02/14/2006 9:48:19 AM PST by presidio9
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To: presidio9

No, I don't think a "large, illegal abortion industry would quickly come into being". The so-called "doctors" who violate their Hippocratic Oath for the big bucks are not going to risk jail. They are essentially cowardly killers.


2 posted on 02/14/2006 9:55:14 AM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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To: presidio9

Personally, I am thrilled by the "third way" talk from the Democrats. Once they start acknowleding the fact that a human life is a human life, and that it is a tragedy to end it, they are laying the seeds for the end of abortion.

I think that the best approach for the pro-choice crowd is just to not talk about abortion much at all. The radical feminists alienate regular folks who are concerned about abortion, and the third way carries the seed of its own destruction. If you are pro-choice then take the "out of sight, out of mind" approach.


3 posted on 02/14/2006 9:58:48 AM PST by Jibaholic (We wouldn't let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas? -- Josef Stalin)
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To: presidio9

I can't really believe that the die-hard pro-aborts really want it rare - for one thing profits go down, and for another, when women who abort are rare, it will be far easier to criminalize abortion. It's very hard to criminalize an act that a third of the population engage in - far easier if it's one in a hundred.

Mrs VS


4 posted on 02/14/2006 10:00:46 AM PST by VeritatisSplendor
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To: Emmett McCarthy

If you were an honest liberal looking for a "third way," and you wanted to offer some support for this prediciton, it would be easy to document all of the illegal abortion clinics that have opened in red states that have made legal clincs rare.


5 posted on 02/14/2006 10:01:43 AM PST by presidio9 ("Bird Flu" is the new Y2K Virus -Only without the inconvenient deadline.)
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To: presidio9
Its almost always been the contention of the pro-abortion crowd that a fetus is nothing but a blob of tissue: not human (which is of course obviously wrong biologically) and certainly not morally significant.

If there is to be no moral significance attached to a fetus, as they have contended, why should it matter weather abortion is rare or not? On the other hand, if the fetus is more than a blob of tissue, a morally significant human being (which should be redundant, but we're dealing with liberals here...), then why should we, as a society, allow their destruction on demand?

I have posed these questions to liberals before, but usually am just huffed at and told that I (obviously) hate women and want to control them (which is odd, since it was my mother who taught me to respect for all life)...go figure...
6 posted on 02/14/2006 10:04:11 AM PST by MrBlueSky2005
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To: presidio9

Don't give 'em any ideas. They might set a couple up just to make their "story".


7 posted on 02/14/2006 10:11:26 AM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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To: presidio9
There is no such thing as a third way. Life or death, those are the options.

What I have never understood is this drama about needing access to abortion in every small town and village across America. Puh-leeease. A woman is pregnant for 9 months. But let's take the first trimester. Give her a few weeks to discover the pregnancy and she still has lots of time to make travel arrangements. No one OWES her the price of an abortion plus the travel plans to a location any more than they had a say in her sex life. If you want help after the fact, give me a say before the fact. But freedom has its long term conscequences.

8 posted on 02/14/2006 10:20:24 AM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: Emmett McCarthy

Good point. Obviously nothing is beneath these folks.


9 posted on 02/14/2006 10:23:03 AM PST by presidio9 ("Bird Flu" is the new Y2K Virus -Only without the inconvenient deadline.)
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To: presidio9

They might even kill off a "customer" or two to make it a really good story. I still suspect that pro-abortion forces were involved in the shootings of a couple of these abortionists several years ago.


10 posted on 02/14/2006 10:31:59 AM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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To: Jibaholic

I never understood why the Dems dropped the "safe, legal, rare" approach. It worked for Bill Clinton.


11 posted on 02/14/2006 10:38:54 AM PST by Callahan
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To: presidio9

When I was in college many years ago, the colllege feminists were upset that when a doctor told them they were pregnant, they were not immediately offered abortion services and were offended they were offered pre-natal care. The rabid feminazis will never be happy until abortion is the first option health care providers offer women and with prenatal advice and counselling on the healthiest way to bring a baby into the world as a last choice. Disgusting.


12 posted on 02/14/2006 10:58:32 AM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: Emmett McCarthy

"Usually, NARAL's allies refer to abortion opponents as "anti-choice," so the conciliatory language itself was a welcome departure."

Funny, I refer to NARAL as a pro-death group.


13 posted on 02/14/2006 10:59:36 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz ("We don't need POLITICIANS...we need STATESMEN.")
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To: Jibaholic

Arianna Huffington used to trot out this argument back in the days she pretended to be a Republican. I found it suspicious then and I think in retrospect that was a good litmus test of what she was.

It's fine if a Dem says it, but any Republican who joins that chorus will never get my support ever again.


14 posted on 02/14/2006 11:00:36 AM PST by Truthsearcher
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To: presidio9; 4lifeandliberty; AbsoluteGrace; afraidfortherepublic; Alamo-Girl; anniegetyourgun; ...

Pro-Life/Pro-Baby ping!

Please FReepmail me if you would like to be added to, or removed from, the Pro-Life/Pro-Baby ping list...

15 posted on 02/14/2006 11:20:41 AM PST by cgk (Muslims are the only people who make feminists seem laid-back. - Ann Coulter)
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To: Truthsearcher

I suppose that includes our current Secretary of State?


16 posted on 02/14/2006 11:23:16 AM PST by presidio9 ("Bird Flu" is the new Y2K Virus -Only without the inconvenient deadline.)
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To: presidio9

So long as abortion is legal and regarded as at least possibbly safe, it will be far from rare.


17 posted on 02/14/2006 11:28:13 AM PST by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: presidio9

I'm not familiar with her position on the subject, and since as far as I knew she isn't running for anything, her position is not really relavent yet.


18 posted on 02/14/2006 11:28:35 AM PST by Truthsearcher
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To: Truthsearcher

Most of the people you hear talking about Rice running are liberals (Helen Thomas did a piece on this last week). They want her to run because they know that she can't possibly win. Condoleezza Rice has firmly, recently and repeatedly put herself in the "safe, legal & rare" camp.


19 posted on 02/14/2006 11:32:42 AM PST by presidio9 ("Bird Flu" is the new Y2K Virus -Only without the inconvenient deadline.)
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To: Jibaholic

Is this the same 90/10 proposal? (reducing abortion 90% in 10 years?)
The leftist will not allow anyone to even speak of it!


20 posted on 02/14/2006 11:36:47 AM PST by griswold3 (Ken Blackwell, Ohio Governor in 2006- No!! You cannot have my governor in 2008.)
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