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To: Paloma_55
I'm a conservative in every aspect of life; but I'm also an avid proponent of organic methods because they are just smart and are the ultimate conservative stance to take (methods used for thousands of years.) Thoughtlessly "napalming" large areas of forest for a beatle problem is a knee jerk reaction that's likely to do little to solve the issue, and would probably upset other biological systems, initiating a host of other problems. "Spraying" is almost certainly the very thing that caused the beatles spreading in the first place.

OK, flame away.

12 posted on 10/20/2006 7:41:09 AM PDT by fwdude (LEFT LANE ENDS . . . MERGE RIGHT)
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To: fwdude

I can't say about pine beetles in the west, but the wooley adelgid was introduced, with no natural predation, so attempts to eradicate aren't going to upset anything.


15 posted on 10/20/2006 7:45:09 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: fwdude

OK..how about this...you raise about 2 million baby woodpeckers and let them go in the forest?


16 posted on 10/20/2006 7:46:21 AM PDT by Paloma_55 (I may be a hateful bigot, but I still love you)
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To: fwdude

No flames, I used to help my friends mother setup traps for boring beetles, she worked for Pherotech.

http://www.pherotech.com/

Theese are the traps we used: http://www.pherotech.com/page154.htm

They work on pheromones. They have a bait that mimics the pheromones of the beetles, the horny little bugs go into the trap and they die.

They have Attractant semiochemicals and Repellant semiochemicals... http://pherotech.xplorex.com/page193.htm


Maybe they have something for these beetles. The same beetles have infested an Austrian Pine in my backyard.


24 posted on 10/20/2006 8:41:35 AM PDT by MD_Willington_1976
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To: fwdude
""Spraying" is almost certainly the very thing that caused the beatles spreading in the first place."

yea right. They don't "spray" forrests. And they don't use napalm to kill pine beetles either. Spraying would be a useless method even if they did consider it. these beetles live in the tree, not outside of it. They spread when the adult emerges and flies away and lays eggs. When they hatch they crawl up the tree trunk and bore in. Thats why some use a soapy solution and banding to try keep thier trees from becoming infested at that stage.

There might even be an innoculation available, at least there is for other bug problems. I'm not sure about pine beetles. Cold weather kills them.

25 posted on 10/20/2006 8:43:04 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary (Bukhari:V1B1N6 “Just issue orders to kill every Jew in the country.”)
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